Ripheus23 Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 Let's guess what kinds of space fleets we'll see by MBE4! Scadrian ships. A given as far as I know. My guess is that artificially intelligent Hemalurgic ships will use duralumin and steel as one step in the FTL process (the AI-ship will metabolize steel in duralumin bursts to accelerate the ships drastically) and then cadmium and bendalloy as another step (to somehow deal with relativistic problems), and then the unknown elements will be added to the equation and voila, FTL. Design will be very spartan in the sense of pure metallic colors and metallic-stereotypical curvature. Rosharan ships. Semi-given, AFAIK. Rosharans will fight in space somehow, as per some WoB (I think it was something to do with Radiant Space Marines?). I'm gonna guess that if this involves spaceships and not Radiants fighting in Plate-mecha format or what, there will be lots of gemstones involved, so crystalline ships, maybe with radial symmetry (along the lines of the Dawncities---even if/though the Dawncities were not spaceships). The entire planet of Sel. This is super-wild extrapolation but let's say not just the countries there but Sel itself becomes a fully sentient being. And then picks up the Shards of Devotion and Dominion. We'd have a godplanet, which would make for an interesting force to be reckoned with. ALTERNATIVES: Invested asteroids are made self-aware, or parts of countries are detached somehow and sent into outer space. The trick is gonna have to be getting country-like structures in space (if there's no reliable way to nonlocalize AonDor), so besides the whole dang planet moving self-consciously as such, I would posit asteroids or chunks of land as candidates for the process. Ire ships. With the caveat that AonDor can be nonlocalized in some set of cases, I will guess that the Ire will do this enough to make at least very small ships. I like the idea of rival/divergent Selish space forces, though, so I personally hope we get a godplanet on one hand and little scouter vehicles or what on another. (Also if the Ire hijack an Ascension at some point, they might make a spaceship using their new Investiture set, so who knows!) Awakened ships? I haven't considered this possibility beyond the term. Supercolorful ships as an image might be capitalized enough on by having fabrial starships so maybe Sanderson wouldn't have much reason to develop a Nalthian space force as such... 17th-Shard ships. I'm going with a high view of their capacities, so I will suspect that if they ever get ships, they'll be a space fleet unto themselves, or close to it (maybe partly/heavily dependent on exchanges with a Shard or Shards who are on the organization's side). Haven't the faintest notion what they'd look like. Autonomy's Avatar Armada No-planet Shard will have something up his/her/its sleeves... If multiple dragon-Shards, maybe dragons in space A Hoidship. Think the Heart of Gold made of Top Ramen? If Rayse survives until then, Voidships Spaceships created by Adonalsium himself... "Godships" (or Shardships?!) 3
Gasper he/him Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 Scadrian ship will probably be the closest we see to what we think of as a spaceship, followed sort of by Roshar. Scadrian ships will most likely be based on south scadrian design and will do powered by the metallic arts. Rosharian ships will most likely be partially in the cognitive realm, with sensors that drop to the physical or the ability to use shademar as a sort of hyperspace. I can totally see them using massive, lab grown gem stones to contain spren to control and power the ship. They will most likely base a lot of the ship off of Urithuru's fabrials. Navani's flying ship designs are probably the wright brothers version of the Rosharian space ships. I do not see the Selish getting off world because of the Dor, gravity, and the localizing effect of the Dor. Nor do I see any one from Taldain getting off world using the physical realm because they are a binary system. Nalthis will most likely be using either flying carpets or an awakened space elevator. 3
HSuperLee Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 In the Skyward AMA, Sanderson mentioned some cultures sharing some technology. I have a feeling that once magic and technology begin mingling from planet to planet, individual cultures will become more distinctive in the ships than the magic used to run them. 1
Angsos Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 I think they already tried an awakened spaceship in the Alien movies and 2001: a space odessey. It didn't go so well
Draginon he/him Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 That idea of Sel being the countries taken off world sounds too ridiculous to work. I mean how could they even begin to dig them out?
HSuperLee Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Draginon said: That idea of Sel being the countries taken off world sounds too ridiculous to work. I mean how could they even begin to dig them out? I mean this is a planet where they built a city that somehow makes the inhabitants occasionally turn into glowing superhumans. If any planet is going to find a way to do it, that planet is Sel.
Draginon he/him Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 10 minutes ago, HSuperLee said: I mean this is a planet where they built a city that somehow makes the inhabitants occasionally turn into glowing superhumans. If any planet is going to find a way to do it, that planet is Sel. I don't know, what information we have involving the space age seems to indicate that Scadrial is the most advanced planet, technology and magic wise, to go spacefaring since even in Khriss' reports of the planets she indicates Scadrial is the only world doing intergalactic travel. Granted she could be wrong or her reports were written at different times but Elantris is a few centuries before Mistborn so they should have a head start on space travel but nothing points towards that. Also she can check if Sel is weird in that suggested space travel way since Secret History has the Ire in the Cognitive version of Sel, which during the events of Elantris and The Emperor's Soul is highly dangerous, so somehow the Shard problem is resolved by the time Mistborn takes place.
Slimy_Slider Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 The Ire's fortress wasn't built in the Selish CR, it's in the interplanetary space between Sel and Scadrial. If anything, it's probably closer to Scadrial as Kelsier was able to reach it without hitting the limit of his travel, suggesting he was still in the Scadrian sphere of influence. The Dor is probably still around and unlikely to disappear anytime soon, unless someone manages to ascend to either Devotion or Dominion. 1
Draginon he/him Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 @Slimy_Slider I figured it was somewhere close to Sel's Cognitive area for them to keep using their investiture as Elantrians though figuring out where the planets are in connection to each other in the CR is tough since the star map shows that Scadrial isn't exactly close to Threnody but is apparently close enough for the CR border patrol.
Slimy_Slider Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 I would agree but for the fact that Kelsier describes a pull on his cognitive self as he tries to leave. It's implied, both in the text and in some WoBs, that this force would stop Kelsier before he could travel off world. I did a bit of searching and found this WoB, which I think makes it pretty clear about where the Ire are based: Spoiler Questioner So... that's "[Aon] Ire"... Brandon Sanderson Yes, it is. Questioner ...and that's the symbol for Ire in Secret History. Brandon Sanderson Yes. Questioner I was wondering if-- Is this just an in-world depiction of an out-world symbol, or does this actually have some kind of metalurgic value? Brandon Sanderson Isaac? Isaac Stewart Yes. Brandon Sanderson <I may> refer to Sir Isaac. Questioner Alright, thank you very much. So the question is... Isaac Stewart Okay. Questioner So this is the symbol for "[Aon] Ire". Isaac Stewart Mhm. Questioner And this is the symbol in Secret History for the part called "Ire". And what I'm wondering is... Is this just an in-world representation of an off-world symbol, or is there some kind of metalurgic... in-world meaning to the symbol outside of it. They're just too close to be coincidence. Isaac Stewart There is a... Obviously there's a relation between the two. I would say that, as far as we know, there is no <metalurgic> connection. Questioner So as far as we know there is no metalurgic connection, but that could change in a future book. Potentially. Or not. That's all you got for me? Isaac Stewart Um... I'm trying to figure out what I should say <about it>. And I think... The first thing is obviously they aren't on the planet that they ought to be on. Questioner Obviously. I mean, not even in the Realm that they ought to be in. Isaac Stewart Right. And so... It's more symbolic of "this is not in the Realm that it ought to be, but it's taking on attributes of the Realm that it's in." Questioner So the Realm that it's in is Shadesmar. But it's more near the Scadrial... Isaac Stewart It's the Scadrial edge of Shadesmar. Questioner And so it's taking on attributes of that area that it's not supposed to be in but it is in. Isaac Stewart Right. Questioner Okay. Isaac Stewart There may or may not be intersignificance *inaudible*. Questioner I will pay attention to that. Isaac Stewart Pay attention. We may-- we may do something with that. It may just be a fun little thing. Questioner A fun little thing just there, right. So for now it's at least an interesting in-world representation of an off-world thing, but it might at some day be *inaudible*. Cool! source As for their access to the Dor, this is probably what the big power cable is for. As well as the glowing liquid which appears to keep the Elantrians alive. Note that we also never see them doing any Aon Dor, even when panicked, so this suggests they are too far from Sel to use it. 1
Ripheus23 Posted October 9, 2018 Author Posted October 9, 2018 (edited) I was reading another thread about the Ghostbloods and totally realized I forgot to wildly speculate that they will have a space force too! 19 hours ago, Draginon said: I don't know, what information we have involving the space age seems to indicate that Scadrial is the most advanced planet, technology and magic wise, to go spacefaring since even in Khriss' reports of the planets she indicates Scadrial is the only world doing intergalactic travel [emphasis added]. If the Cosmere star systems are relatively close, pure/stereotypical FTL issues might not arise so much when it comes to traversing the intervening space. It could be that the other civilizations besides Scadrial's have interstellar but not intergalactic technology? EDIT: Quote Genabackan By the time of Sixth of the Dusk, are the Ones Above undisputably the most technologically advanced society in the Cosmere? Brandon Sanderson No, they aren't. There has been some concurrent development, and a lot of sharing technology--to the point that you could make an argument for several societies being equal, though some better in specific areas. source Edited October 9, 2018 by Ripheus23
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