Ripheus23 Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 I'm not sure about the overall Cosmere chronology, so IDK if this is even possible, but I was wondering if the Evil might have been the Shattering. Or, like, a side-effect/shockwave from it, so to say. This might be why there's a similarity between the Iriali and the Threnodites (maybe the original world of the Iriali was also in the "shockwave-zone" of the Shattering). Now, maybe the Evil happened after Ambition died so the Evil would then for sure not be the Shattering when it originally happened, but again if there was a long-range outward wave of energy from the Shattering (if there was a specific "nova" point for that event, which as a Spiritual thing might not be the case so much), there could still be some meaningful relationship. (Another indirect indicator is the "Threnody was named in memory of something" WoB, and the thing about thinking it's in memory of Ambition being "on the right track." So let's suppose ancient (relatively ancient) Threnodites foresaw/became aware of the Shattering, named their world in memorial of the event, and then an age or two later finally got hit by the hypothetical Shattering-shockwave.)
RShara she/her Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 I don't think the Evil could have been the Shattering. If I remember correctly, SfS is fairly far forward in the timeline, and the Evil took over the Homeland just a generation or three ago, so it'd be thousands of years after the Shattering. I think the mourning aspect of the system's planet's names is in regards to Ambition's death nearby.
Ripheus23 Posted September 29, 2018 Author Posted September 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, RShara said: I don't think the Evil could have been the Shattering. If I remember correctly, SfS is fairly far forward in the timeline, and the Evil took over the Homeland just a generation or three ago, so it'd be thousands of years after the Shattering. Maybe it took that long for the shockwave to hit (if there was such a thing). Yolen might be thousands of light-years from Threnody, or whatever. 3 minutes ago, RShara said: I think the mourning aspect of the system's planet's names is in regards to Ambition's death nearby. I would think so too but for the WoB's wording: Quote PallonianFire Were the planets in the Threnodite System named like that in response to Ambition's demise? Brandon Sanderson It is not a coincidence that so many of the planets have to do with songs of mourning or passing, in that system. So, you are on to something. source Also this: Quote Sweetness Since the evil on Threnody isn't a Shard, can you tell us anything about its nature? Is it an actual being, and is it related to Adonalsium? Brandon Sanderson Everything is related, in the Cosmere, to Adonalsium. Most of the magic you're seeing is a just a natural outgrowth of Cosmere-related magic, you're seeing Cognitive Shadows. The Evil is similarly related. source
Calderis he/him Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 (edited) The planets of the Cosmere are only separated by roughly 50 light years. The Cosmere as a whole is very very small on a galactic scale. Quote eagle (paraphrased) How close are all of the shard worlds in space? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) The cosmere takes place in a dwarf galaxy and all the worlds are close together. eagle (paraphrased) Close as in say 10 light-years? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) More like 50. (He went on to say that Peter has some harder numbers and that it might have to change a little.) source Edited September 29, 2018 by Calderis
Ripheus23 Posted September 29, 2018 Author Posted September 29, 2018 33 minutes ago, Calderis said: The planets of the Cosmere are only separated by roughly 50 light years. Hmm, well, I suppose the edit for my theory would then be that the conjectural Shattering-shockwave (Shardwave! aha!) the Shardwave travels slower than the speed of light. Slow enough, then, that the distance between Threnody and Yolen (supposing the Shardwave originated in the Yolish area) allows the Evil to come from the Shattering. 1
Angsos Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 Pretty sure the evil is a thing, so to speak. I have listened to shadows for silence in a little but I got the impression people had time to evacuate. If it was a hypothetical shardwave, I assume it would killed or affected everyone at once, leaving no survivors.
Ripheus23 Posted September 29, 2018 Author Posted September 29, 2018 11 minutes ago, Angsos said: If it was a hypothetical shardwave, I assume it would killed or affected everyone at once, leaving no survivors. I don't imagine it was quite like a nova (ZOMG! "Shardnova"!!!). IDK if it's been RAFO'ed or not but I think Yolen is still around. (If so, I still am surprised, though, unless the Shattering wasn't performed on Yolen. I feel like killing God would involve a massive explosion, but who knows!) Or, let's say it was a Shardnova in the Cognitive Realm, and when the Shardwave collided with Threnody, it had a kind of bubble-of-evil effect (comparison with the WoT, where the Dark One would emanate little blips of energy that caused rando distortions in the fabric of reality). Like, it hit Threnody's Investiture and transformed it into whatever the Evil is.
RShara she/her Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 The Shattering happened in all three Realms, so it would have been pretty instantaneous in the Spiritual Realm, where most Shardic powers and effects reside.
Ripheus23 Posted September 29, 2018 Author Posted September 29, 2018 3 minutes ago, RShara said: The Shattering happened in all three Realms, so it would have been pretty instantaneous in the Spiritual Realm, where most Shardic powers and effects reside. But what about in the Cognitive Realm?
RShara she/her Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 I think effects from the Spiritual Realm would propagate through the Cognitive and Physical far more than the other way around.
Ripheus23 Posted September 29, 2018 Author Posted September 29, 2018 1 minute ago, RShara said: I think effects from the Spiritual Realm would propagate through the Cognitive and Physical far more than the other way around. The energy would come from the SR, but there's no space-time distance in the SR, so no rate of a Shardwave (the wave wouldn't even be there, in a sense; it would be a manifestation in space and time, of the Shattering).
RShara she/her Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 1 minute ago, Ripheus23 said: The energy would come from the SR, but there's no space-time distance in the SR, so no rate of a Shardwave (the wave wouldn't even be there, in a sense; it would be a manifestation in space and time, of the Shattering). Yes, that's my point
Ripheus23 Posted September 29, 2018 Author Posted September 29, 2018 Just now, RShara said: Yes, that's my point OK but if there was a Shardwave, it wouldn't move an infinite distance every moment, so there could still be a delay between the Shattering and a Shardwave hitting Threnody?
RShara she/her Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 I think it would have affected the entire Spiritual Realm pretty much instantly.
Ripheus23 Posted September 29, 2018 Author Posted September 29, 2018 Just now, RShara said: I think it would have affected the entire Spiritual Realm pretty much instantly. The Shattering would have as such, but if there was a corresponding wave of energy in the Cognitive and Physical Realms, the corresponding wave would be able to travel at a non-infinite rate.
RShara she/her Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 Yes, but I'm saying I think the SR effect would be much greater than the CR or PR effects, and that anything like an Evil would be a significant Spiritual Realm-type issue.
Calderis he/him Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 Yolen still exists. Quote yafeshan Is yolen still out there somewhere(for example during the events of Final empire) ? If yes, does it have still intelligent life living on it? Brandon Sanderson Yes and yes. source
Yata he/him Posted September 30, 2018 Posted September 30, 2018 (edited) We are not even sure if there is something magical or Realms related to the Evil. It could be a completely mundane event/stuff, like a pestilence or a social change or a cultural revolution that pushes some people to flee from the Homeland. It would be not too different from the puritans who fled from the Europe to America. Edited September 30, 2018 by Yata
Solant he/him Posted September 30, 2018 Posted September 30, 2018 6 hours ago, Ripheus23 said: Also this: Quote Sweetness Since the evil on Threnody isn't a Shard, can you tell us anything about its nature? Is it an actual being, and is it related to Adonalsium? Brandon Sanderson Everything is related, in the Cosmere, to Adonalsium. Most of the magic you're seeing is a just a natural outgrowth of Cosmere-related magic, you're seeing Cognitive Shadows. The Evil is similarly related. source As a side note, I feel as though this is a classic Brandon evasive non-answer, as matter= energy= investiture and all investiture is of Adonalsium.
tmnsquirtle Posted September 30, 2018 Posted September 30, 2018 14 hours ago, Solant said: As a side note, I feel as though this is a classic Brandon evasive non-answer, as matter= energy= investiture and all investiture is of Adonalsium. Well, yeah. The question was pretty poorly phrased IMO. I do personally think that it is either a large-ish splinter of a shard (like the stormfather) or something of an 'organization' of smaller splinters. In the latter case it would probably take the form of an council of cognitive entities, like we see with spren in the CR, but evil.
Ripheus23 Posted September 30, 2018 Author Posted September 30, 2018 (edited) 16 hours ago, Yata said: It could be a completely mundane event/stuff, like a pestilence or a social change or a cultural revolution that pushes some people to flee from the Homeland. I heard that the first scene in the Threnody novel is going to be something like a fleet of ships sent to retake the continent from the Evil, with the fleet being devastated. Quote In the latter case it would probably take the form of an council of cognitive entities, like we see with spren in the CR, but evil. I don't recall but did the text use "it" or "they" or both or something else, or what, to refer to the Evil? Edited September 30, 2018 by Ripheus23
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