PudgyNinja Posted March 26, 2014 Posted March 26, 2014 (edited) So, the Heralds are off wherever to be tortured and when they returned to Roshar, the Desolation began, after which they needed to return, lest another Desolation start up again. The nahel bond is the spren copying the way that Honor empowered the Heralds. In Dalinar's visions, we see the Radiants fighting all kinds of strange creatures that do not appear to be present on Roshar in the first two books. Is it possible that the Radiants and their bond were somehow drawing forth the very things that they were fighting against? Clearly, it wasn't a full-on desolation, but if they discovered that they, themseves, were the source of all this misery, I can see them abandoning their shards and breaking their bonds/oaths as a way to protect Roshar. Also, one of the Knights in a WoK vision mentions that anybody with the desire to fight should be compelled to come to Alethela. That sounds a lot like the Thrill, sort of. Could it be that the unmade, back in the day, was Bonded to say, a Bondsmith, and he somehow drew fighters to him in Alethela? And then after the recreance, he was "unmade," his mind broken, it now just gives off the effect of the Thrill? Just some thoughts. Edited March 26, 2014 by PudgyNinja 3
Moogle Posted March 26, 2014 Posted March 26, 2014 I've had similar thoughts on the reasons for the Recreance, but I never quite thought of the possible connection between returning Heralds triggering a Desolation and spren bonds making each Radiant a sort-of-Herald for the purposes of the Oathpact. That provides a nicely explained mechanism for why Nalan thinks Surgebinders will cause a Desolation. I like your theory here. It's speculative, but it's the good kind of speculative. It explains everything nicely, and has quite a bit of evidence going for it. As to the Unmade bit, doubt it. Rlain says that the Parshendi gods were those ancients who gave of themselves to destroy. Doesn't fit in with a Bondsmith having his mind broken at all.
PudgyNinja Posted March 26, 2014 Author Posted March 26, 2014 As to the Unmade bit, doubt it. Rlain says that the Parshendi gods were those ancients who gave of themselves to destroy. Doesn't fit in with a Bondsmith having his mind broken at all. Fair enough. Though, it does still seem to me that people who feel the desire to fight being compelled to Alethela is something of the Radiants. The Heralds aren't around at the time and it doesn't seem to be present in the time of the books. Maybe it's not related to the Thrill, but I still think it might be related to a Bondsmith.
Bramble Thorn Posted March 26, 2014 Posted March 26, 2014 So, the Heralds are off wherever to be tortured and when they returned to Roshar, the Desolation began, after which they needed to return, lest another Desolation start up again. The nahel bond is the spren copying the way that Honor empowered the Heralds. In Dalinar's visions, we see the Radiants fighting all kinds of strange creatures that do not appear to be present on Roshar in the first two books. Is it possible that the Radiants and their bond were somehow drawing forth the very things that they were fighting against? Clearly, it wasn't a full-on desolation, but if they discovered that they, themseves, were the source of all this misery, I can see them abandoning their shards and breaking their bonds/oaths as a way to protect Roshar. I like this theory. It may be true. It may be false. But even if false, it is something the KR might believe if it was coming from a Herald. And Nalan believing it is less insane than Szeth believing Kaladin with a shape shifting shardspear/shardshield, and GLOWING BLUE WINDRUNNER GLYPH is using a non-KR Honorblade wielder.
xbauks he/him Posted March 26, 2014 Posted March 26, 2014 Fair enough. Though, it does still seem to me that people who feel the desire to fight being compelled to Alethela is something of the Radiants. The Heralds aren't around at the time and it doesn't seem to be present in the time of the books. Maybe it's not related to the Thrill, but I still think it might be related to a Bondsmith. That conversation actually makes it sound like a person should be compelled out of good sense to come to Urithiru rather than literally. The female Radiant mentions that fighting changes a person. Anyone willing to fight should go to Urithiru so that the changes a war/desolation brings about in a person doesn't destroy them. I'm thinking the Thrill is what causes the changes.
PudgyNinja Posted March 26, 2014 Author Posted March 26, 2014 That conversation actually makes it sound like a person should be compelled out of good sense to come to Urithiru rather than literally. The female Radiant mentions that fighting changes a person. Anyone willing to fight should go to Urithiru so that the changes a war/desolation brings about in a person doesn't destroy them. I'm thinking the Thrill is what causes the changes. Hm. Possible, but the italics really make me think that it is an external compulsion. And I'm even going to stick to my guns on the Thrill. It's an almost exact inversion of what the Radiant said should be happening. Instead of those with the desire to fight being compelled to Alethela, people in that region feel the desire to fight. I can totally see a spren (like the Stormfather, but bound to the earth instead of the storms), having it's mind ripped apart by the Recreance, going on with some strange perversion of what it had been doing previously.
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