Bridge 4.0 he/him Posted May 10, 2018 Posted May 10, 2018 Hello Bridge 4.0 here I am re-reading The Way of Kings and I noticed this on page 786. Adolin caught sight of the back of Daalinar's Shardplate,and his eyes opened wide. "Bad?" Dalinar asked. "Looks like it's held together with spit and twine," Adolin said. "You're leaking Light like a wineskin used or archery practice." Dalinar nodded,sighing. Already his Plate was feeling sluggish. He'd probably have to remove it before they returned to the camp, lest it freeze on him. So does this mean that stormlight is cold? Are the sphere cold to the touch too or just the stormlight? Are the highstorms cold then too if the stormlight is cold? So many questions come from this! Any suggestions?
IllNsickly he/him Posted May 10, 2018 Posted May 10, 2018 Freezing just refers to the Plate locking up because it hasn’t got any Stormlight to power it. Not a reference to temperature. 9
Bridge 4.0 he/him Posted May 10, 2018 Author Posted May 10, 2018 Are you sure, because I could imagine stormlight being cold. Like when Kaladin was hung up in the highstorm he specifically mentioned the cold being one of the worst parts.
Doomdrinker she/her Posted May 10, 2018 Posted May 10, 2018 He was cold in the highstorm because it's a giant storm. I'm pretty certain the "freezing" is describing the plate locking up, not actually being cold. Though it is worth noting I remember another scene were Kaladin describes stormlight as cold. I'll see if I can find it.
Oversleep Posted May 10, 2018 Posted May 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, Bridge 4.0 said: Are you sure, because I could imagine stormlight being cold. Like when Kaladin was hung up in the highstorm he specifically mentioned the cold being one of the worst parts. Combination of lots of water and high-speed winds would do that to you. And yes, it refers to Plate locking up after running out of Stormlight. Similarly how you can say that you froze in place or how cops say to freeze. Not a reference to temperature. 3
Bridge 4.0 he/him Posted May 10, 2018 Author Posted May 10, 2018 (edited) Which book would it be in, I will try to find it too. Edited May 10, 2018 by Bridge 4.0
Doomdrinker she/her Posted May 10, 2018 Posted May 10, 2018 8 minutes ago, Bridge 4.0 said: Which book would it be in, I will try to find it too. I believe they where in WoK or WoR. So far I've found this "He also remembered the face. The Stormfather himself? Surely not. A delusion. Yes … yes, he’d certainly been delusional. Memories of death-spren were blended with relived parts of his life—and both mixed with strange, sudden shocks of strength—icy cold, but refreshing. It had been like the cold air of a crisp morning after a long night in a stuffy room, or like rubbing the sap of gulket leaves on sore muscles, making them feel warm and cold at the same time. He could remember those moments so clearly." Way of kings chapter 40 3
Thunderclast Posted May 10, 2018 Posted May 10, 2018 This is an interesting theory, and I think that stormlight may in fact have something to do with temperature, at least with living Radiants. When Kaladin used large amounts of Stormlight his clothes were coated with frost, and when he swore the Third Ideal the symbol of the Windrunners appeared behind him in frost. Then, when Lopen swore the Second Ideal the same thing happened. The same also happened to Szeth when he swore himself to Dalinar, completing the Third Ideal. 2
IllNsickly he/him Posted May 10, 2018 Posted May 10, 2018 To the, umm... Frosting effect of using large quantities of Stormlight and Swearing Ideals. I guess I have just associated that with the effect that compressed air has when it is rapidly decompressed and never thought about it. If you open the dump valve on a full air tank the valve gets cold, and with enough volume will frost up. 2
Bridge 4.0 he/him Posted May 10, 2018 Author Posted May 10, 2018 I honestly do think that stormlight is associated with cold temperatures.
IllNsickly he/him Posted May 10, 2018 Posted May 10, 2018 57 minutes ago, Bridge 4.0 said: I honestly do think that stormlight is associated with cold temperatures. Hmm. Someone has a thread on Cosmere/Investiture Thermodynamics. Heat=Energy. And, well, I’m not educated enough to even try to summarize his post. This may be related, though.
Bridge 4.0 he/him Posted May 11, 2018 Author Posted May 11, 2018 I found more evidence that Stormlight is cold! He infused the stone with Stormlight, frost crystallizing on his arm.He was't sure how he did it, but it felt natural, like pouring liquid into a cup. From WoK page 841 and The arm wound leaked Light, not blood, and to Kaladin's amazement it slowly began to seal up, frost crystallizing on his skin and Stormlight draining from him. From WoK page 870. 1
Szmit Posted May 11, 2018 Posted May 11, 2018 You must also remember that hen shardblades are materializing water condenses around them. And if i remember correctly there was a WoB that it was because shardblades are using energy from around them during materialization. That might work similar when stormlight is used. Maybe it drains heat in the same way as Awakening drains color? 3
digitalbusker he/him Posted May 11, 2018 Posted May 11, 2018 There definitely does seem to be a thermal effect when stormlight is moving around. Kudos to this thread for collecting some good examples of that. On the other hand, the thing in the first post about Dalinar's armor freezing up was definitely the "stuck" sense of frozen rather than the "covered in ice" sense of frozen.
IllNsickly he/him Posted May 11, 2018 Posted May 11, 2018 There is absolutely a thermal effect. I hope I didn’t come across as disagreeing with that. The first evidence is in the first Szeth chapter, when he is murdering his way to Gavilar. There are a multitude of examples, including all of the references to Shardblades forming condensation. I have been waiting for something In-World to give clues, but haven’t really seen anything. For now, I’m sticking with the decompression effect.
IllNsickly he/him Posted May 11, 2018 Posted May 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, Bridge 4.0 said: The decompression effect? Like I described above with the air tank.
Patrick Star Posted May 11, 2018 Posted May 11, 2018 (edited) I always imagined it as the opposite. IMO, Stormlight's Endothermic. That's why the frost appears when Kaladin powers up. He absorbs the stormlight from around him, which sucks the heat out of the room. Basically, remember this: Edited May 11, 2018 by Patrick Star 6
Llarimar he/him Posted May 12, 2018 Posted May 12, 2018 18 hours ago, Szmit said: You must also remember that hen shardblades are materializing water condenses around them. And if i remember correctly there was a WoB that it was because shardblades are using energy from around them during materialization. That might work similar when stormlight is used. Maybe it drains heat in the same way as Awakening drains color? I was going to mention this if no one else did - the Shardblades glistening with condensation definitely has something to do with it. I can believe that Stormlight is connected to coldness or water - come to think of it I have actually had that thought before on my own (before I was reminded of it on this thread). I know I'm basically just restating what Szmit said, but it would make sense if temperature was important to using Stormlight, because there is a missing piece in the magic system equation, I believe. Other people have posted about this more eloquently in the past, but there needs to be a source of power and also a... reactant? Something that is used up in the process. For example in Warbreaker, the Breath is the source of the power, and color is what is use to activate that power. In Stormlight, we know the source of the power (stormlight), but I don't think there is something we have learned about that activates the power (like color in Warbreaker). It would make sense if this missing part of the equation was heat. Drawing in heat activates the stormlight, and because the heat is used up, frost and condensation appears (because coldness is left behind).
Patrick Star Posted May 13, 2018 Posted May 13, 2018 17 hours ago, Llarimar said: coldness is left behind THERMODYNAMICS II!!! COLDNESS IS SIMPLY A LACK OF HEAT! IT ISN'T A THING! 3
IllNsickly he/him Posted May 13, 2018 Posted May 13, 2018 On 5/11/2018 at 11:52 AM, Patrick Star said: I always imagined it as the opposite. IMO, Stormlight's Endothermic. That's why the frost appears when Kaladin powers up. He absorbs the stormlight from around him, which sucks the heat out of the room. Basically, remember this: My contention still agrees. Rapid decompression creates an endothermic reaction. I cannot cite any science or in world relevance, but the effect still fits pending further In-world evidence.
go_go_gragdet Posted May 13, 2018 Posted May 13, 2018 Sean da Paul say: Well, woman, the way the time cold I wanna be keeping you warm I got the right temperature To shelter you from the storm OH OH --- JUST GIMME THE (STORM)LIIIIIIIGHT 1
go_go_gragdet Posted May 14, 2018 Posted May 14, 2018 All this talk of cold, storms and stormlight had me singing: https://youtu.be/dW2MmuA1nI4?t=46s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MmW_GOFS8I
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