[OB] Different Resonance?

[Cadmon37]

I recently listened to the Shardcast on Resonances and was wondering due to the mixing of Odious Investiture with the Nahel bond if Renarin and/or Venli would have a different Resonance than other Truthwatchers or Willshaperes?

[Leyrann]

So the problem here is that we don't understand Voidbinding very well yet. There are a few discussions on whether the Fused Voidbind or Surgebind, with the general consensus leaning towards the latter, though I have to say I personally believe it to be the former, with the Surges being a very wide, overarching system that can be used in different ways depending on how the Shards limit it, and the Surges even being the groundwork of other magic systems and other Cosmere related things, though that is getting off-topic.

We have seen Renarin, in Oathbringer, be unable to use Lightweaving at all, which is arguably an argument in favour of the Fused using Surgebinding, as their Surges do seem similar to what the Radiants use, and so would probably be able to learn from one another. (another explanation, however, would be that Renarin needs to somehow acquire Voidlight in order to Lightweave)

That being said, there is a general consensus that Renarin will have a different resonance than normal. The theory I like most is that the difference between the 'normal' Truthwatcher resonance and Renarin's resonance is that a normal Truthwatcher sees the present, while Renarin sees the future.

EDIT: Totally missed the part about Venli, I would argue that it works differently for her, as Timbre suppresses the Voidspren, meaning you're either having the Voidspren's powers (when Timbre lets them go through to fool the Fused) or the Willshaper powers (when he doesn't).

Edited March 25, 2018 by Leyrann

[Yata he/him]

7 hours ago, Calderis said:

In the last scene, Timbre is pulsing from inside her gemheart. And I believe Timbre is unable to hide, at least from singers/listeners, otherwise there would have been no need for Venli to hide her throughout the book. 

I am quite sure Singers always see Spren also if they are "invisible", the same thing shared with other beings like some Horneaters (like Rock)

[Yata he/him]

Renarin is very likely.

For Venli It's hard to say as we didn't see her Powers yet.

If her Form contributes to the interaction, sure.

[Wishell she/her]

On 25/03/2018 at 4:56 PM, Leyrann said:

 

EDIT: Totally missed the part about Venli, I would argue that it works differently for her, as Timbre suppresses the Voidspren, meaning you're either having the Voidspren's powers (when Timbre lets them go through to fool the Fused) or the Willshaper powers (when he doesn't).

Can’t remember exactly how it happened in the book but as you said above, Timbre suppresses Venli’s voidspren so does that mean that Timbre now also occupies Venli’s gemheart or is Timbre still separate from her physically and somehow suppressing the voidspren externally? 

 

Also, hi! I’m new to the forum and just checking out a few of the posts to get a feel for what is discussed on here 

[Landis963 he/him]

17 hours ago, Wishell said:

Can’t remember exactly how it happened in the book but as you said above, Timbre suppresses Venli’s voidspren so does that mean that Timbre now also occupies Venli’s gemheart or is Timbre still separate from her physically and somehow suppressing the voidspren externally? 

 

Also, hi! I’m new to the forum and just checking out a few of the posts to get a feel for what is discussed on here 

The Nahel bond (which Timbre, among other spren, use) does not require the use of a gemheart.  That gives Timbre a bit of wiggle room in that regard, I suspect.  

[Wishell she/her]

@Landis963 I guess I’m just curious about this idea that Spren can suppress voidspren and how they might do that. In Venli’s case I thought perhaps Timbre might have taken up residence in her gemheart to aid in that as well as to help them hide from the Voidbringers/Parsh. I know that most spren are only visible to those that they choose to show themselves too but I couldn’t specifically recall a reference in the book to what happens when/after Timbre suppresses Venli’s voidspren. I am possibly over-thinking the issue .

[Calderis he/him]

1 hour ago, Wishell said:

@Landis963 I guess I’m just curious about this idea that Spren can suppress voidspren and how they might do that. In Venli’s case I thought perhaps Timbre might have taken up residence in her gemheart to aid in that as well as to help them hide from the Voidbringers/Parsh. I know that most spren are only visible to those that they choose to show themselves too but I couldn’t specifically recall a reference in the book to what happens when/after Timbre suppresses Venli’s voidspren. I am possibly over-thinking the issue .

In the last scene, Timbre is pulsing from inside her gemheart. And I believe Timbre is unable to hide, at least from singers/listeners, otherwise there would have been no need for Venli to hide her throughout the book. 

[MountainKing]

I think that Venli would have three resonances: one with her two surges interacting and one for each surge interacting with her form of power.

[Calderis he/him]

5 hours ago, MountainKing said:

I think that Venli would have three resonances: one with her two surges interacting and one for each surge interacting with her form of power.

I picture resonance more like a musical chord. It's the extra oomph from the powers mixing. So if her trapped voidspren alters her resonance, she gets one that the sum of them all. 

I think this is why to many powers means you don't get a resonance. You mix a few notes that combine correctly and you get a resonant tone that makes something bigger than the sum of its parts. Too many notes though, and it's just noise. Nothing extra.