MountainKing Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) Odium through himself or his followers/splinters can heal the broken shardblades. At the end of Words of Radiance, the Everstorm appears. We find out that it can heal the spiritwebs of the Parshman allowing them to think like normal sentient beings. We also know shardblades and parshmen are both missing the same part of their spiritweb, their Identity. If Odium's powers let them heal the spiritweb of a parshman, why not a shardblade? I think maybe Glys is really a healed shardblade. He won't tell people that he was from the recreance because his memories will still be scrambled/destroyed. If he remembered, he still wouldn't till anyone because that would require to admit Odium's investiture touched a core part of himself. The Radiants could maybe replicate the process if they can discovered spirtual regrowth or just perform regrowth on the shardblade. We know surges have spiritual forms, spiritual adhesion, we also know stormlight can fix spiritual webs, healing shardblades wounds. Edited March 20, 2018 by MountainKing Fixed Title 3
Calderis he/him Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 I think your correct in that the wounds are similar, but I think that it won't work for a Shardblade. The Parsh are physical entities. The have a heavier Cognitive presence than humans, but they still exist Physically in their natural state. For a spren, they are Cognitive entities who lack a Physical aspect unless they have a Nahel bond. For spren of a broken bond, they have had similar things ripped out of them to the Parsh, I agree there. I think though, that without a bond, and the physical presence that it grants them, that they aren't capable of a natural healing. They still have a Physical Aspect in the form of the blade. Without a bond to support that physicality, I don't believe their spiritweb could be restored to its normal state. That said, direct intervention of a Shard should be able to restore them to normal without an issue. It could fill in the hole and return the physical to the Cognitive as it should be.
MountainKing Posted March 20, 2018 Author Posted March 20, 2018 The Everstorm was creeated by the Parshendi, influenced by Odium, so I'm saying that a Unmade or someone empowered by Odium has the same power to restore the shardblades, and that Spiritual Regrowth, if it exists, can be used to create the needed Spiritweb pieces for both the Parshmen and the shardblades.
Calderis he/him Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 22 minutes ago, MountainKing said: The Everstorm was creeated by the Parshendi, influenced by Odium, so I'm saying that a Unmade or someone empowered by Odium has the same power to restore the shardblades, and that Spiritual Regrowth, if it exists, can be used to create the needed Spiritweb pieces for both the Parshmen and the shardblades. I understand that. And I'm saying that I don't think merely healing them is enough. The portion of them that is bound to the physical also needs to be reintigrated into their Cognitive aspect. I think that the healing process would be fine, but without someone of the proper demeanor and morality with which to bond and support that physical aspect, they would just rebreak. The Spren are not naturally physical being, but the way that they have broken keeps them with a physical aspect. When a blade is not bonded, it is always in the physical. It can only be dismissed when bonded to a person. That schism in their being is a very different problem than the Parsh.
MountainKing Posted March 20, 2018 Author Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) I think that once they were healed they would be able to return to their cognitive state. We know, do to Oathbringer, that their physical manifestation is still connected to them, the only thing that truly is damaged is their spirit web, which is causing their cognitive and physical forms to not being able to function like normal radiantspren Edited March 20, 2018 by MountainKing Adding more to my Argument 1
Calderis he/him Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, MountainKing said: I think that once they were healed they would be able to return to their cognitive state. We know, do to Oathbringer, that their physical manifestation is still connected to them, the only thing that truly is damaged is their spirit web, which is causing their cognitive and physical forms to not being able to function like normal radiantspren The Spren in their natural state do not have a physical aspect. Healing their spiritual should not fix the problem here in my mind, because it would restore the hole... But not reintegrate the two pieces. I see it as akin to Savants. In those instances, healing the savant won't do anything, because their spiritweb has been altered, so the way that healing functions, their spiritweb believes that nothing is wrong. Quote Questioner 1 [PENDING REVIEW] Do all Soulcasters risk turning into the element or is it only those using the device? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] All Soulcasters have an affinity but the ones using the device are locked down much more than the Soulcasters who are Knights Radiant. Questioner 1 [PENDING REVIEW] So they are protected from being turned into-- Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] Oh no they-- I wouldn't say protected... *clarificaiton* Protected is the wrong term but that event, the savanthood and how it affects them and things like that is much less pronounced if you are a [Knight]. Questioner 1 [PENDING REVIEW] Or is that counteracted by the healing as well? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] Healing doesn't have to do with it because-- in cosmere terms there's nothing wrong with your body, your spirit is actually drifting, and so it's not hurting you physically by what's happening with the magics. So it's not the healing but if you have an active bond with a spren it takes a little different path. Let's just say, in simple terms-- Questioner 1 [PENDING REVIEW] You are not losing body parts to smoke. Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] Yes, you are not using body parts to smoke. Questioner 1 [PENDING REVIEW] What timeframe does it happen for the normal Soulcasters then? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] For normal Soulcasters? It takes-- I mean, you've seen it happening in the books. We are talking [about] a process of years even decades, depending on the person. It happens to some-- Questioner 2 [PENDING REVIEW] Depending on how often they Soulcast? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] It depends on how often they Soulcast, and it depends on the person. source This is the reason I think what I do. The Spiritual Aspect of the spren, even when healed, should not have that portion of them in the physical realm. That was a product of the bond. The bond allowed a change to occur that even when whole, is not their natural state, yet they are able to do anyway. I think that without a bond, and having that bond end either mutually, or through the death of the physical entity that they are bonded to, there's no recovery without reestablishing a bond. Again, a Shard acting directly could fix this without an issue, entire shards have been moved between realms by that power. The natural healing process that investiture follows though, I believe would fix their spiritual aspect, flow outward, and run into a block, the same as it does with Kaladin's scars. I've explained my reasoning as best as I think I'm able to. I'll agree to disagree from here forward. Edited March 20, 2018 by Calderis 1
Yata he/him Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 The Everstorm didn't nothing different than a standard Cosmere Healing (only in a mass scale). If what you propose is right, every form of Healing would work too (for example regrowth).
MountainKing Posted March 21, 2018 Author Posted March 21, 2018 31 minutes ago, Yata said: The Everstorm didn't nothing different than a standard Cosmere Healing (only in a mass scale). If what you propose is right, every form of Healing would work too (for example regrowth). The everstorm did more than a standard Cosmere healing, it healed the spiritweb. Most healing techniques healed the physical aspect. I also propose spiritual regrowth as a way for the Radiants to heal some parshmaa left unchanged, and gain them on their side. 1
Calderis he/him Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, MountainKing said: The everstorm did more than a standard Cosmere healing, it healed the spiritweb. Most healing techniques healed the physical aspect. I also propose spiritual regrowth as a way for the Radiants to heal some parshmaa left unchanged, and gain them on their side. All Cosmere healing starts in the Spiritual Realm. It does not automatically target damaged portions of the spiritweb though. Healing in the Cosmere flows outward, using the spiritweb as a template, through the Cognitive where it is filtered by perception (cause some things to not be healed), a day ultimately to the physical. To heal the spiritweb, in the only instance that we've seen it do so, required direction on the part of the person doing it. The Everstorm was seemingly designed to target the portion of the spiritweb in the Parsh that needed to be healed, but if what we've seen elsewhere holds true, that's a difference in the way it was directed, and not in the mechanism. 1
Yata he/him Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 48 minutes ago, MountainKing said: The everstorm did more than a standard Cosmere healing, it healed the spiritweb. Most healing techniques healed the physical aspect. I also propose spiritual regrowth as a way for the Radiants to heal some parshmaa left unchanged, and gain them on their side. As calderis already pointed all' the Cosmere's Healing we know (with the possible Selish exception) heal the Spirit web too. Passive Stormlight heals the soul, regrowth heals the soul, F-gold heals the soul. There are an huge Number of WoB and actual in-world instances where you could see It. One for all', Surgebinders able to heal Shardblade's wounds or Bloodmakers able to heal Hemalurgy's damage 1
MountainKing Posted March 21, 2018 Author Posted March 21, 2018 11 hours ago, Yata said: As calderis already pointed all' the Cosmere's Healing we know (with the possible Selish exception) heal the Spirit web too. Passive Stormlight heals the soul, regrowth heals the soul, F-gold heals the soul. There are an huge Number of WoB and actual in-world instances where you could see It. One for all', Surgebinders able to heal Shardblade's wounds or Bloodmakers able to heal Hemalurgy's damage Passive Stormlight heals your own spiritweb. F-gold feels your own spiritweb. Regrowth heals small cuts in the soul , not large chunks, and these small patches are surrounded by complete spiritweb pieces. And any other cases regrowth uses the cognitive and spiritual aspects to heal the physical. Parshmen and Shardblades are missing large chunks in their souls. 1
Yata he/him Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 2 hours ago, MountainKing said: Passive Stormlight heals your own spiritweb. F-gold feels your own spiritweb. Regrowth heals small cuts in the soul , not large chunks, and these small patches are surrounded by complete spiritweb pieces. And any other cases regrowth uses the cognitive and spiritual aspects to heal the physical. Parshmen and Shardblades are missing large chunks in their souls. This is an idea of your. Regrowth is able to heal someone killed by a Shardblade, this is not some "small cut". Whatever it means, because honestly, you can't quantify the amount of Spiritual Damage without any kind of reference. Hemalurgy Spiritual Damage has an high change to kill the guy for the sheer amount of Soul removed. Parsh survived in mass and this therefore at least imply a lesser degree of Spiritual Damage....of course as I already pointed before, this is a moot point. The Sources listed before are able to heal Spiritual Damages with the only limitations are the not limitless "soul regenerations" cycles and the amount of Avaliable Investiture but those aren't relevant to your topic. 1
MountainKing Posted March 21, 2018 Author Posted March 21, 2018 So I think we all agree that regrowth can heal the parshmen. 1
Bridge 4.0 he/him Posted May 7, 2018 Posted May 7, 2018 Who else thinks that Adolins sharblade is going to be healed soon. Also who else thinks that Adolin will turn into a Knights Radiant and therefore bring a new age of Radiant's popping into existence not just because of the original way but also because of healed shardblades? What about the shardplate are they also apart of the spren?
Xtafa Posted May 8, 2018 Posted May 8, 2018 @Bridge 4.0 I want Maya to be healed, I don't want Adolin to be radiant, they can be friends and fight together though.
Yata he/him Posted May 8, 2018 Posted May 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Xtafa said: @Bridge 4.0 I want Maya to be healed, I don't want Adolin to be radiant, they can be friends and fight together though. Unluckly this can't happen. The ability of a Spren to turn into a Blade is bound by the Bond they have with someone. Maya could be' healed (I have a very pessimist view about, but It's a stuff of mine) and return to her former self. But at that point She need a Radiant to become a Blade. And She Needs also someone who incarnate the Edgedancers to be' revived to start with.
Bridge 4.0 he/him Posted May 8, 2018 Posted May 8, 2018 Why does she need an Edgedancer to be healed?
The One Who Connects he/him Posted May 8, 2018 Posted May 8, 2018 3 hours ago, Bridge 4.0 said: Why does she need an Edgedancer to be healed? Because Adolin's Blade was an Edgedancer's Blade, thus making Maya an Edgedancer Spren. To heal a broken Spren they need to be bonded. To bond an Edgedancer Spren is to become an Edgedancer.
The Deity he/him Posted May 8, 2018 Posted May 8, 2018 Wait, wouldn't only a highstorm like event (resembling the Everstorm) heal the Shardblades? Shardblades are from Honor and since parshmen are of Odium, currently, wouldn't that entail that the only way a Shardblade could be healed is by a highstorm-like event resembling or matching the Spiritual Power of the Everstorm. Also, it might be possible for Maya to become sentient, but she probably won't bond with anyone anytime soon. Adolin, from what we see, is not a Radiant and this would prevent him from Bonding to Maya. However, since he has more of an intimate relationship with his blade (talking to his sword before each dual and in a way showing respect for it) it already has caused Maya to gain more sentience through the Connection that he has with the sword. It might not lead to her finding a new bond, but it might just give her the ability to communicate with Adolin, or even lessen the summoning time. This is just a theory.
MountainKing Posted May 8, 2018 Author Posted May 8, 2018 14 minutes ago, The Deity said: Wait, wouldn't only a highstorm like event (resembling the Everstorm) heal the Shardblades? Shardblades are from Honor and since parshmen are of Odium, currently, wouldn't that entail that the only way a Shardblade could be healed is by a highstorm-like event resembling or matching the Spiritual Power of the Everstorm. Also, it might be possible for Maya to become sentient, but she probably won't bond with anyone anytime soon. Adolin, from what we see, is not a Radiant and this would prevent him from Bonding to Maya. However, since he has more of an intimate relationship with his blade (talking to his sword before each dual and in a way showing respect for it) it already has caused Maya to gain more sentience through the Connection that he has with the sword. It might not lead to her finding a new bond, but it might just give her the ability to communicate with Adolin, or even lessen the summoning time. This is just a theory. Parshmen are of Cultivation, and any shard can heal the spiritweb. The Everrstorm was designed to heal the parshmen, the highstorm is a natural process
Yata he/him Posted May 9, 2018 Posted May 9, 2018 10 hours ago, MountainKing said: Parshmen are of Cultivation, and any shard can heal the spiritweb. The Everrstorm was designed to heal the parshmen, the highstorm is a natural process Parshmen are not of Cultivation more they are of Odium. They predates the Shards and were made by Adonalsium. In the last 10k years they were "adopted" by Cultivation and Odium. You May find a WoB that says: - Parshmen were not originally of Cultivation - Parshmen were not originally of Odium - Parshmen are not of Honor
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