recneps he/him Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 So, in Oathbringer, we found out that Humans were the original Voidbringers. We also found out that modren Voidbringers are led by the Fused -- Ancient spirits of past Singers given great power by Odium taking control of a modren Parsh body. We know that the Oathpact was formed to keep the Parshspren imprisoned on Braize.. This means that the history of the Desolations is as such: Humans came with Odium to Roshar. They are given Shinovar to inhabit. --Girl Who Looked Up-- Humans have begun to spread beyond the bounds of Shinovar, and are violently taking land. The First of Desolations. --Odium offers some deceased Singers great power, and they accepted-- The Parsh have begun to side with Odium, as opposed to Honour and Cultivation. --Oathpact formed with Honour and the Ten Heralds-- Humans have now sided with Honour, and the cycle of Desolations has begun. Somewhere in here, Spren begin to mimic the Honourblades and bond with Humans -- It is unknown how Binding worked before this. --Aharietiam happens-- The Heralds, all but Talenel, have given up. The Oathpact is being maintained by a single Herald. The Knights Radiant stand guard over Humanity, and protect it from the False Desolation. --The Knights Radiant trap Ba-Ado-Mishram, ending the Forms of the Singers. The Recreance happens-- Many years later, Words of Radiance happens. The True Desolation has begun. 4
Carla Bridge Four Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 I have a doubt, are we sure humans arrived with Odium?
Strifelover Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 22 minutes ago, Carla Bridge Four said: I have a doubt, are we sure humans arrived with Odium? Yeah I agree with you, although I think that Recneps was just simplifying events down into single sentences for easy reading. We actually know that Odium visited Roshar prior to the humans' arrival, but that once they got there they gave him 'more of an ear.' (relevant WOB) Given that Honor and Cultivation forced the Singers to take in the humans, I doubt they foresaw how hostile a people they would become. I think that after the humans arrived, Odium saw an opportunity to influence people on Roshar and came back and started making trouble. There must have been some downtime between when the humans arrived and the first desolation (the one in which the humans are the Voidbringers). It would be pretty absurd for your Gods to force you to take in refugees who then immediately start killing you. 2
Calderis he/him Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Carla Bridge Four said: I have a doubt, are we sure humans arrived with Odium? Depends on what you mean by "with." They arrived at roughly the same time. Did they arrive together? That's debatable. Quote Hoidonalsium [PENDING REVIEW] What was the order of the Shards coming to Roshar and changing allegiences? Did Humans come with Odium? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] So... you're talking about on Roshar specifically? So, Odium had visited Roshar. The humans gave him more of an ear... The Dawnsingers would have considered him the god of the people who had come, but-- I mean, it wasn't like they necessarily brought him. He was capable of getting around before that. I mean, he did kinda come along with them, he was instrumental in what happened there. Hoidonalsium [PENDING REVIEW] Okay, but he was separate, and after Honor and Cultivation had really settled there? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] Yes, he was after Honor and Cultivation had settled. source Odium arrived at the same time, and because of were influenced by him and he was key to what happened on Ashyn,the singers considered him their God... But were they humans aware of any of this? Did they call him God? We don't know. We have one snippet of ancient text from one side of a conflict. 1
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