[OB] Sunraiser

[Blazenella he/him]

Something interesting that I noticed while read Arcanum, and if this has been talked about already I apologize.

In the "Knight Radiant" symbol or the "Double Eye" for the Rosharan system it has multiple swords and dead down the middle is unmistakably Sunraiser, Elhokar's shardblade. We know from pictures and descriptions that it also has all of the basic A.K.A. Radiant glyphs etched onto it. We know this wasn't done later because it's a storming shardblade.

So I raise the question, who's blade was it?

My first thought was Melishi, the last Bondsmith, but I then remembered that Bondsmiths don't get shardblades (Assuming Dalinar isn't weird) and if it has enough importance to be the symbol for the Radiants and Roshar as whole, why is it so significant and who's blade is it????? Just throwing something out there, but maybe it was made by Honor.

Thoughts?

Edit: This is what I'm rambling about

Edited January 8, 2018 by Blazenella

[Leyrann]

Let me pose a question: If Dalinar doesn't have a Shardblade, how did he activate the oathgate in Azir after his memories returned?

[Furry-And-Lovable-Grover he/him]

5 minutes ago, Leyrann said:

Let me pose a question: If Dalinar doesn't have a Shardblade, how did he activate the oathgate in Azir after his memories returned?

He forced the Stormfather to be a shardblade against his will. SF-Blade I think will probably make a reappearance under better circumstances in at least one of the next two books. I remember the scene as being both awesome and distressing at the same time.

Edited January 8, 2018 by Furry-And-Lovable-Grover
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[Leyrann]

2 minutes ago, Furry-And-Lovable-Grover said:

He forced the Stormfather to be a shardblade against his will. SF-Blade I think will probably make a reappearance under better circumstances in at least one of the next two books. I remember the scene as being both awesome and distressing at the same time.

In other words, he can form a Shardblade.

Next question: Could Sunraiser be the Sibling, forced into Shardblade form in the Recreance?

[Furry-And-Lovable-Grover he/him]

12 minutes ago, Leyrann said:

In other words, he can form a Shardblade.

Next question: Could Sunraiser be the Sibling, forced into Shardblade form in the Recreance?

I think I'm going to go with "No" since every discussion we have of the Siblings withdrawal seems to speak to an intentional withdrawal by the Sibling itself before the Radiants left Urithiru, and nothing saying the Sibling was even around during the Recreance. That's not necessarily a given since there's very little first or second hand info on the Recreance to begin with.

An aside, has there been an etymological discussion of "Recreance" as a name? Its definitely made up, but seems to have at least some sort of root that should be able to be examined for clues.

Edited January 8, 2018 by Furry-And-Lovable-Grover

[Blazenella he/him]

29 minutes ago, Leyrann said:

In other words, he can form a Shardblade.

I saw this more as taking a piece of investiture, like a perpendicularity in miniature and using it to act as a shardblade. It is described as light in Dalinars hand and he also "pulled" it from somewhere. We also know that Honorblades can open Oathgates, so is it Rosharan investiture that does it? Or is it specifically blades? Or can any thing like Nightblood do it?

I didn't see this as a Shardblade, but I could be way wrong. It also may just be the Stormfather not wanting or not being able to form a blade.

[Patrick Star]

Just now, Blazenella said:

Or can any thing like Nightblood do it?

This may seem like a hot take, but I don't think that sticking Nightblood in the Oathgates is a good idea.  In fact, I'd go so far as to say that sticking Nightblood in most things is probably a bad idea.

[digitalbusker he/him]

23 minutes ago, Furry-And-Lovable-Grover said:

An aside, has there been an etymological discussion of "Recreance" as a name? Its definitely made up, but seems to have at least some sort of root that should be able to be examined for clues.

It's not exactly made up. It's an existing word, recreant, which means "someone who is unfaithful to a belief", modified to refer to an event.

[Calderis he/him]

This specific question has been asked of Brandon, and it's how we know that Dalinar isn't unique in not having a blade. 

https://wob.coppermind.net/events/122/#e3311

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Questioner

And there's one last question if I may: I'm really into swords and such. I couldn't help but notice king Elhokar's Blade. It's just... All the others are ornamented, and they may have some glyphs, but it is the only one where it is explicitly it is told that there are ten fundamental glyphs on it which are the glyphs of the orders. I read some of the chapters from Dalinar from Unfettered II, and I know how he got it for Elhokar. Is there also some more backstory to this Blade?

Brandon Sanderson

There's a backstory to every Blade and every one of them is special, that's the problem. But I will be exploring the origins of some of the Blades. Eventually. Not a ton, but a little bit.

Questioner

As it is ornamented in such a way... Could it be related to a Bondsmith?

Brandon Sanderson

Bondsmith's didn't have Blades.

Questioner

All of them? It's just... Maybe it was just the Stormfather...

Brandon Sanderson

No. That's a really good guess. Really good guess. I'm gonna RAFO Bondsmiths because you gonna learn a lot about them in the next book because it's the Bondsmith's book. That's a really good theory, but it's not true. 

Questioner

But maybe there is at least something to it.

Brandon Sanderson

But there's a reason to it, why it has all the 10 orders.

 

[Blazenella he/him]

@Calderis Thanks!

So it may have significance, but no Bondsmiths have blades.