Enyo_Face Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 So far in OB we have been shown that a sphere releasing a "dark light" are used to signify a trapped unmade. We know Galivar gave one sphere to Szeth after their balcony fight [WoK] which he hid somewhere in the mountains of jah kaveed and Eshonai took another from Galivar when he showed her [OB] and told her to show her leaders. Dalinar possesses a sphere containing the thrill at the end of OB as well. What is interesting to note is in the first Szeth interlude of WoK, and I haven't seen anyone bring this up yet, he is under the command of a man by the name of Took, who and I'm paraphrasing here "was going to tell his friends about the time he stole a sphere that glowed black from the nightwatcher if they would buy him another drink, and Szeth mentions that that story reminds him too much of the sphere he took from Galivar." Which sounds WAY too specific for someone to make up, although took is a drunk and is know to Szeth to be a liar. I think that this specific story, coupled with the fact that the man's name is Took, are too significant to ignore the fact that they're might be another trapped unmade lying somewhere around roshar. Whether or not Took was the one to steal the sphere or not, I think it is more than likely that the nightwatcher had a bound unmade, with a possibility of possessing more. This brings our total of known spheres up to 3, with a speculative 4th lying around. I think it is quite possible that Galivar might of even had a 3rd sphere lying around in his castle, perhaps that's what the fuzed are digging for after they captured the city. I'm aware that a popular theory is that they were digging for the truthspren that Hoid took at the epilogue, but AFAIK that is just speculation as well. Regardlesswe know that almost half the unmade, if not more, are trapped in these mysterious spheres. Any thoughts/comments on where any other spheres/bound unmade might be? Have I missed any? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.S.A.M.K.M Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 If Aimia is such a secret and secured location, that they killed everyone who goes there. What would they do for beings that can not be killed? Their only alternate would be to imprison them. One of the unmade was said to be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifth Scholar he/him Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 @Enyo_Face I believe these spheres contain Voidlight, not trapped Unmade. The descriptions of the light inside the spheres match the descriptions of Voidlight in OB. In addition, let’s run through our Unmade: Moelach- Loose and roaming Sja’anat- Loose, betrayed Odium? Ashertmarn- Loose, roaming? Returned to Odium? In Kholinar? We aren’t specifically told. Ba-Ado-Mishram- Status unknown Nergaoul- Trapped by Dalinar Yelignar- Last inhabited Amaram. Odium likely picked him back up after the battle. Midnight Mother- Retreated deeper into Urithiru or left it completely after confrontation with Shallan. Chemoarish- Status unknown 9th Unmade- Status unknown However, even with 3 Unmade that haven’t popped up yet, I find it implausible that all 3 were captured without Odium doing something about it, and even more implausible that Gavilar somehow got all 3, and even more implausible that he starts handing them out like candy on Halloween night if they really contain Unmade. While they likely have some significance, I doubt they play the role you think they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enyo_Face Posted January 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 2 hours ago, .S.A.M.K.M said: If Aimia is such a secret and secured location, that they killed everyone who goes there. What would they do for beings that can not be killed? Their only alternate would be to imprison them. One of the unmade was said to be there. Im personally in the boat that believes one of, or a remnant of the dawnshards lies somewhere on Aimia, not another unmade. Would odium not have persuded it at some point if one we're trapped there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enyo_Face Posted January 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 55 minutes ago, Fifth Scholar said: @Enyo_Face I believe these spheres contain Voidlight, not trapped Unmade. The descriptions of the light inside the spheres match the descriptions of Voidlight in OB. In addition, let’s run through our Unmade: Moelach- Loose and roaming Sja’anat- Loose, betrayed Odium? Ashertmarn- Loose, roaming? Returned to Odium? In Kholinar? We aren’t specifically told. Ba-Ado-Mishram- Status unknown Nergaoul- Trapped by Dalinar Yelignar- Last inhabited Amaram. Odium likely picked him back up after the battle. Midnight Mother- Retreated deeper into Urithiru or left it completely after confrontation with Shallan. Chemoarish- Status unknown 9th Unmade- Status unknown However, even with 3 Unmade that haven’t popped up yet, I find it implausible that all 3 were captured without Odium doing something about it, and even more implausible that Gavilar somehow got all 3, and even more implausible that he starts handing them out like candy on Halloween night if they really contain Unmade. While they likely have some significance, I doubt they play the role you think they do. Thank you for compiling the list of unmade I was on mobile and didn't have OB with me for reference to count them all. Would these spheres infused not be far more common then if they were infused with voidlight or is that the point you are trying to make, that they are far more common then we are initially led to believe? If so then why was the sphere dalinar held after imprisoning nergaoul not described differently from the others spheres that glowed black? I think it's quite possible Ba-ado-Mishram was captured by the final strike force of knights radiants at the abandoning of uthiruru, maybe in a sphere that Galivar came into possession of? Perhaps he did not fully understand what they truly held and that's why he was so willing to display them. Keep in mind he only showed two people, one of which stole a sphere and he only gave the second to Szeth as his dying wish so he really wasn't handing them out quite like candy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoolofwhool Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Enyo_Face said: If so then why was the sphere dalinar held after imprisoning nergaoul not described differently from the others spheres that glowed black? I think it's quite possible Ba-ado-Mishram was captured by the final strike force of knights radiants at the abandoning of uthiruru, maybe in a sphere that Galivar came into possession of? Perhaps he did not fully understand what they truly held and that's why he was so willing to display them. Keep in mind he only showed two people, one of which stole a sphere and he only gave the second to Szeth as his dying wish so he really wasn't handing them out quite like candy They would be glowing the same because they would still be containing Odium's investiture. That makes up voidlight, and gives shape to the Unmade. I would think that gems containing Unmade would have to be of the same size as the perfect ruby. Personally I think that BAM is trapped somewhere in Kholinar, and that Gavilar used it to fill up gems with voidlight, as BAM was noted to have been a source of voidlight in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghajan monk Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 If Galivar was able to fill gems with Voidlight would this imply that Aesudan was wrong and Galivar did find a way to bond one of the Unmade. Unless he had a fabrial that could draw Voidlight from the Unmade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.S.A.M.K.M Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 A common fan belief is that they will attempt to trap all the unmade in perfect gemstones. I was thinking that since Dalinar was inspired by the idea of trapping spren for fabrials, that a fabrial is made to take advantage the captured unmade. I even have an idea about its function. We know that the unmade can connect/influence those they interact. BAM was able to connect to the listerners so deeply, that when the connection was broken, their spirit web was so damaged , that they were crippled as were their descendants. My plan is use the unmade against the fused. BAM would provide a connection to them so deep, that they would have no defence against the power of the other unmade. The connection might be so strong, that it would be as if the unmade were directly present in the target. We have seen one host that fails to sustain the presence of a single unmade. Imagine the power of all nine unmade in the fused, it might be partially dispersed, but the fused are already said to be deeply damaged, the conflicting impulses and power could push them over the edge. Either forcing them to move on, or be transformed/reborn as something new, something akin to a pseudo thunderclast. Around half of the unmade are suspected to affect the mind/spirit, while the rest could provide a new physical form. The thing is the fused don't die if slain, so the unmade might be permanently trapped in binding with the fused. Usually the unmade can free move between hosts, and if not, most simply can not sustain them, so eventually self destruct. But directly binding to the fused, who lack a true physical form and can't die, mean they are stuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoolofwhool Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 58 minutes ago, ghajan monk said: If Galivar was able to fill gems with Voidlight would this imply that Aesudan was wrong and Galivar did find a way to bond one of the Unmade. Unless he had a fabrial that could draw Voidlight from the Unmade. The spren in the city had devices to transfer stormlight from their spheres into the perfect gems. I think it's possible that artifabrians have similar devices as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NamelessThirteenth Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 I was under the impression that the spheres were not created by Gavilar specifically but rather were a relic of old... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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