Wit Beyond Measure Posted December 31, 2017 Posted December 31, 2017 So I am probably late to the game on this one, but I found this: Quote Skaiiwalker (paraphrased) Are there any kandra on Roshar? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Yes. And immediately thought of Midnight Essence, which sound like mistwraiths, to me (: Quote Lit only by moonglow and starlight from outside, the black thing was bigger than an axehound. He couldn’t make out details, but it seemed to have an unnatural wrongness to its form. ... It seemed part of the shadows. ... The creature felt too soft under his foot, as if he’d kicked a waterskin. ... The beast scrambled to its feet and twisted around, smooth skin reflecting moonlight. It seemed disoriented. ... The creature raised its head, clicking teeth together, and made a hissing sound. Tasting the air. Sanderson, Brandon. The Way of Kings (The Stormlight Archive, Book 1) (pp. 296-298). Tom Doherty Associates. Kindle Edition. And then Mistwraiths: Quote The creature had smoky, translucent skin, and Vin could see its bones. It had dozens upon dozens of limbs, and each one looked as if it had come from a different animal. ... The mismatched limbs let the creature walk—though it was more of a shamble. ... Its body was bulbous and elongated. It wasn’t just a blob, though…there was a strange logic to its form. Mistwraiths have malleable bodies. ... Tasting for scents, Vin thought. Following the smell of our passing. She let her tin return to normal, and the mistwraith once again became a shadowed mound. Sanderson, Brandon. Mistborn Trilogy (Kindle Locations 2497-2513). Tom Doherty Associates. Kindle Edition. Of course, there are stark differences, too, with the biggest being how violent Midnight Essence seems to be, though perhaps Odium has been able to remake them as weapons. Where do you think we've seen kandras?
Vortaan he/him Posted January 1, 2018 Posted January 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Wit Beyond Measure said: So I am probably late to the game on this one, but I found this: And immediately thought of Midnight Essence, which sound like mistwraiths, to me (: And then Mistwraiths: Of course, there are stark differences, too, with the biggest being how violent Midnight Essence seems to be, though perhaps Odium has been able to remake them as weapons. Where do you think we've seen kandras? As human shaped people, that are not monsters we see explicitly coming from the Midnight Mother, and who predate Kandra by many thousands of years. This is not even remotely possible. 2
Yata he/him Posted January 1, 2018 Posted January 1, 2018 There are Kandra in Roshar (and other Shardworlds) because they are actually worldhoppers and Harmony's agents. Returning to the main topic, the mistwraiths and Midnight Essences have no relations other than be' able to change their look, by the way this Change works under different mechanics. It will be like to say that: Mistwraiths, Midnight Essences, Returned, Siah Aimians and Sleepless are all the same. As Vortaan said the Midnight Essences predate Mistwraiths of thousands of years...so no Odium remaking Mistwraiths (also if regardless of that is quite obvious they are absolutelly different kinds of beings)
RShara she/her Posted January 1, 2018 Posted January 1, 2018 Kandras are sapient, mistwraiths are not. Just because there are kandra doesn't mean there are mistwraiths. The Unmade have been around for thousands of years. Before the Recreance, at least, which was about 2500 years ago. Mistborn Era 2 is near the same time as Stormlight Archive, give or take a couple of years. The Catacendre was 300 years ago. TFE lasted 1000 years. That means kandra, who were created by Rashek, are no more than 1300 years old, give or take a few years. Quote The creature raised its head, clicking teeth together, and made a hissing sound. Tasting the air. Quote Tasting for scents, Vin thought. Following the smell of our passing. Read the second passage again. Quote Vin watched the creature shamble across the field, following her tracks. A flap of slimy skin drooped from its underbelly, trailing along the ground.Tasting for scents, Vin thought. Following the smell of our passing. It was tasting the ground for scents, like a snail or slug. Not sniffing/tasting the air. Sorry, there's no chance of this one.
.S.A.M.K.M Posted January 1, 2018 Posted January 1, 2018 Is midnight essence a type of void spren? Before it seems all void spren are simply corrupted spren.
RShara she/her Posted January 1, 2018 Posted January 1, 2018 She's an Unmade. Re-Shephir. So a Splinter of Odium.
Dahak he/him Posted January 1, 2018 Posted January 1, 2018 18 hours ago, Wit Beyond Measure said: Where do you think we've seen kandras? Quote She moved to the next slot and peered through it, trying to decide just where it let out. Was this— Something moved in the slot. A dark mass wriggled deep inside, squeezing between walls. Like goo, but with bits jutting out. Those were elbows, ribs, fingers splayed along one wall, each knuckle bending backward. A spren, she thought, trembling. It is some strange kind of spren. The thing twisted, head deforming in the tiny confines, and looked toward her. She saw eyes reflecting her light, twin spheres set in a mashed head, a distorted human visage. Oathbringer Chapter 25. That doesn't appear to be one of the Midnight essences (They are blobby, don't have bones and look like shiny tar, so more than the eyes would reflect the light.) I suspect this is Paalm, one of the better Kandra shapechangers and Sazed's senior agent at this time, doing a version of the trick TenSoon used when he was with Wax in the Pits of Hathsin. Described in a manner that doesn't look out of place to people who haven't read Mistborn, like Azure. 1
Vortaan he/him Posted January 1, 2018 Posted January 1, 2018 30 minutes ago, Dahak said: Oathbringer Chapter 25. That doesn't appear to be one of the Midnight essences (They are blobby, don't have bones and look like shiny tar, so more than the eyes would reflect the light.) I suspect this is Paalm, one of the better Kandra shapechangers and Sazed's senior agent at this time, doing a version of the trick TenSoon used when he was with Wax in the Pits of Hathsin. Described in a manner that doesn't look out of place to people who haven't read Mistborn, like Azure. Paalm was with Wax at this time. Could be some other Kandra though.
Angsos Posted January 1, 2018 Posted January 1, 2018 Are we sure when Era 2 takes place but that one does sound like a mistwraith. The things in WOK don't sound like mistwraith though.
RShara she/her Posted January 1, 2018 Posted January 1, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Angsos said: Are we sure when Era 2 takes place but that one does sound like a mistwraith. The things in WOK don't sound like mistwraith though. Yeah. Era 2 takes place either at the same time as SA, or in the gap between the two arcs. So roughly at the same time. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/268-fantasy-faction-qa/#e7462 Quote Windrunner Hey Brandon I just want to start out by thanking you for writing such wonderful books, one read-through TWoK made you my favorite author. I cannot wait for Emperor's Soul so I can get some new cosmere information! As a 17th Sharder I have to ask at least two timeline questions. When is Emperor's Soul set chronologically in relation to Elantris? Because if its around the same time Teod and Arelon might not have to stand alone against the Fjordell Empire. My other question is also a timeline one. (There are a lot of those tonight haha) I heard you had to move TWoK a little bit due to some plot constraints. So does Warbreaker still fall around the same time as AoL or has that shifted as well? Brandon Sanderson Thanks for the kind words! Emperor's Soul is after Elantris, but not too long after. It is before Mistborn. Second question is that I've moved things so that TWoK is around the same time as AoL, forced by some behind-the-scenes events. Warbreaker now happens before AoL. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/48-nooktalks-twitter-qa-with-barnes-noble/#e549 Quote PhantoMonstrosity Before Ruin and Preservation showed up on Scadrial, was aluminum already antimagical? Also, is [The Alloy of Law] between Stormlight 5&6? Brandon Sanderson Yes, [The Alloy of Law] is after Stormlight 5. Specific timing will depend on how long I make the 5/6 gap once I get there. That passage sounds very interesting. I will have to look it up. It does sound like it could be a kandra. Edited January 1, 2018 by RShara Forgot links
digitalbusker he/him Posted January 17, 2018 Posted January 17, 2018 That's the thing that Shallan catches watching her rendition of The Girl Who Looked Up, right? I had assumed it was a Midnight Essence critter, because it's during the part of the book where she's trying to figure that whole thing out, but.... Doesn't one of the epigraphs say that Re-Shephir's critters have gotten more sophisticated over time? That's how I accounted for the difference between this and the blooby axehound-shaped smoke bags from Dalinar's vision.
Spoolofwhool Posted January 18, 2018 Posted January 18, 2018 55 minutes ago, digitalbusker said: That's the thing that Shallan catches watching her rendition of The Girl Who Looked Up, right? I had assumed it was a Midnight Essence critter, because it's during the part of the book where she's trying to figure that whole thing out, but.... Doesn't one of the epigraphs say that Re-Shephir's critters have gotten more sophisticated over time? That's how I accounted for the difference between this and the blooby axehound-shaped smoke bags from Dalinar's vision. The Midnight Essence's in the vision were likely also imitating whitespines instead of people. Quote BeskarKomrk It’s fairly heavily implied in the Stormlight books that there’s some sort of correspondence between the Chasmfiends and the Thunderclasts. They’re described very similarly and... I was wondering if there’s a similar sort of correspondence, possibly, between the Whitespines and the Midnight Essences? Brandon Sanderson Uh... yes, yes. More tenuous, but yes. BeskarKomrk But kind of similar? Brandon Sanderson Yeah. The Midnight Essence generally imitates what it sees around it. [Source]
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