Buschy Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 So what we do know is that the humans didn't originate on Roshar. Humans are the voidbringers since they brought ODIUM (the one who sucks in emotions or enhances them) to Roshar. What I am unsure about is if HONOR and CULTIVATION were on Roshar prior to humans arriving. If so, I have a few thoughts and a possible theory. I think that it is possible that the heralds (not heralds at the time of leaving) and other humans escaped the tranquill hills (or wherever they are from) to avoid the destruction that they brought upon themselves with ODIUM's influence. I am making the assumption that they didn't think ODIUM would or could follow. The original Parshendi didn't have forms of power at the time the original humans arrived. They had the old rythms but didn't have any surgebinding capabilities at the time. When ODIUM showed up, he managed to start turning the Parshendi on humans and themselves. Since the humans were aware of this, a deal was made with HONOR to help protect all of Roshar to include the Parshendi from ODIUM and these forms of power. This is where the heralds were given the honor blades and dawnshards (possibly) and were charged with protecting all life and to stop ODIUM. This started the Desolations and the spren learned to mimic the forms of power that ODIUM gave to the parshendi and what HONOR gave to the heralds which birthed the knight radiants. The reason I think this is because the humans on their original world were destroyed by surgebinding. If HONOR (who we associate with giving surgebinding abilities) wasn't there and ODIUM was, than how did humans have the ability to surgebind to begin with. And how did the humans end up with HONOR and some of the Parshendi end up with ODIUM? Also to help with this, towards the end of OB, Dalinar states that only 9 of the orders are present. I think there was ten orders present and the tenth one was Venli. A Parshendi who is coming back to HONOR since she now has a spren. What do you guys think?
aemetha he/him Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Buschy said: Humans are the voidbringers since they brought ODIUM (the one who sucks in emotions or enhances them) to Roshar. This is the Dawnsinger interpretation of what happened. It isn't necessarily what happened, and the reality is much more up in the air. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/262-oathbringer-glasgow-signing/#e8808 Quote Hoidonalsium [PENDING REVIEW] What was the order of the Shards coming to Roshar and changing allegiences? Did Humans come with Odium? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] So... you're talking about on Roshar specifically? So, Odium had visited Roshar. The humans gave him more of an ear... The Dawnsingers would have considered him the god of the people who had come, but-- I mean, it wasn't like they necessarily brought him. He was capable of getting around before that. I mean, he did kinda come along with them, he was instrumental in what happened there. Hoidonalsium [PENDING REVIEW] Okay, but he was separate, and after Honor and Cultivation had really settled there? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] Yes, he was after Honor and Cultivation had settled. 17 minutes ago, Buschy said: The reason I think this is because the humans on their original world were destroyed by surgebinding. If HONOR (who we associate with giving surgebinding abilities) wasn't there and ODIUM was, than how did humans have the ability to surgebind to begin with. There is some evidence that the influence of the shards extends to the greater Rosharan system, including Ashyn, which was the Tranquiline halls. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/33-arcanum-unbounded-san-francisco-signing/#e2745 Quote Herald (paraphrased) Is there more significance to the 10 other planets around the Rosharan star system and them being gaseous? We know that Roshar's moons have unnatural orbits; so there seems to be some astronomical manipulation in the system. Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Yes there is significance of 16 in cosmere and 10 in Rosharan system. Herald (paraphrased) The outer 10 gas giants in the Rosharan system suggest a tie to the number 10 that predates the arrival of the current Shards. Is the prominent numerology we see around the cosmere an inherent property of the planets, rather than the Shards who invest them? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Big RAFO. Herald (paraphrased) Would Ashyn/Braize share the 10-centric numerology of Roshar? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Yes 10-centric is for the entire Rosharan planetary system...wait Braize is 9-centric. 17 minutes ago, Buschy said: And how did the humans end up with HONOR and some of the Parshendi end up with ODIUM? See the first WoB I quoted here. Odium wasn't necessarily the god of the humans, he just arrived at the same time. The only in world accounting of the events is the dawnsinger account, which is likely highly biased, being solely from the perspective of the dawnsingers. 17 minutes ago, Buschy said: Also to help with this, towards the end of OB, Dalinar states that only 9 of the orders are present. I think there was ten orders present and the tenth one was Venli. A Parshendi who is coming back to HONOR since she now has a spren. Yes, this is generally believed to be the case. It is believed she will be the willshaper subject of the next book, which is slated to be Eshonai's book. So what we'll see is present time POV scenes of Venli, and flashback scenes of Eshonai. Edited December 12, 2017 by aemetha 1
KidWayne he/him Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 @aemetha Wow, that response was... comprehensive. Well done.
Buschy Posted December 12, 2017 Author Posted December 12, 2017 So the question is who originally gave the humans the ability to surgebind? Was it ODIUM's investiture or HONOR? I don't think it can be HONOR since he was already on Roshar
KidWayne he/him Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 Just now, Buschy said: So the question is who originally gave the humans the ability to surgebind? Was it ODIUM's investiture or HONOR? I don't think it can be HONOR since he was already on Roshar Eh, it's been suggested elsewhere that any magic witnessed by a Rosharan would likely be described as "surgebinding." So, in light of that, all we know is that - via the Ellia stele - the Dawnsigners have alleged that magic was used to destroy the humans' home planet before their migration to Roshar.
aemetha he/him Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 Well, shards don't really "give" the ability to surgebind. The magic systems are part the legacy of Adonalsium, and part the influence, but not specific design of the shards. Mistborn spoilers Spoiler Preservation didn't create allomancy and ruin didn't create hemalurgy. They were the result of the interaction of them with the world. They were of preservation and ruin, not by preservation and ruin.
echaozh he/him Posted December 14, 2017 Posted December 14, 2017 Weren't the humans driven out of the tranquilline hall? Who drove them out? The people left on Ashyn? Did they come from elsewhere, go to Ashyn, drive the natives out to Roshar, and built the floating cities there? Or did some people on Ashyn drive the others out to Roshar, because they were destroying the ecosystem with their evil magic? Which side was Odium on, the driving side, or the driven side?
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