WalterWhiteVevo Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 So based off of the revelation of this book the humans on roshar were originally of odium instead of honor or cultivation. That begs the question; why is Renarin the only human we know of to have bonded a spren of odium? Why are the humans bonding spren of Honor? And why was Honor so accepting of the humans if they were so cruel to his beings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aemetha he/him Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 Mostly because shardic conflicts in the cosmere aren't good versus evil battles. They are all pretty malign on balance as a consequence of the excessive emphasis on a single aspect of human nature they represent. Honor is inflexible and stubborn, and toward the end cared more about the words than the intention of the oaths. Odium is the shard of either passion or hatred, but either way you look at it he delights in turning allies into adversaries and inflaming their acrimony. So what you get is one entity inflaming conflict in general, and another entity that refuses to not engage as a matter or principle. Odium stokes tensions, Honor attempts to bind people to him, and is prepared to embrace those willing to bind themselves to oaths, regardless of what is actually good and fair, as long as they follow a code. In many ways Honor is the perfect shard for Odium to manipulate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leuthie Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) There's a single multi millennia year old writing that complains about humans bringing the god of voids with them. There's nothing that says the humans were "of Odium". Chances are that Odium was the reason they had to leave their previous planet in the first place. From the perspective of the Dawnsingers, the Humans brought the Void with them. Does that help your quandary? Edited December 12, 2017 by Leuthie 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 First, the Parshendi were never of Honor. Quote https://wob.coppermind.net/events/222/#e5624 Questioner (paraphrased) Are the Parshendi of Odium? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Not originally. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/222/#e5625 Questioner (paraphrased) Are the Parshendi of Cultivation? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Not originally. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/222/#e5636 PadraicSeebrr (paraphrased) Are the Parshendi of Honor? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) No. Second, Odium arrived with the humans, and to the Parshendi, it would have seemed that he was their God, but this is not necessarily true. Quote https://wob.coppermind.net/events/262/#e8808 Hoidonalsium [PENDING REVIEW] What was the order of the Shards coming to Roshar and changing allegiences? Did Humans come with Odium? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] So... you're talking about on Roshar specifically? So, Odium had visited Roshar. The humans gave him more of an ear... The Dawnsingers would have considered him the god of the people who had come, but-- I mean, it wasn't like they necessarily brought him. He was capable of getting around before that. I mean, he did kinda come along with them, he was instrumental in what happened there. Hoidonalsium [PENDING REVIEW] Okay, but he was separate, and after Honor and Cultivation had really settled there? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] Yes, he was after Honor and Cultivation had settled. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterWhiteVevo Posted December 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 18 minutes ago, Ookla, the Incalculable said: First, the Parshendi were never of Honor. Second, Odium arrived with the humans, and to the Parshendi, it would have seemed that he was their God, but this is not necessarily true. Huh, interesting points here. It seems as though my question was even bigger and more complex than I thought. Thanks for showing me this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterWhiteVevo Posted December 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 49 minutes ago, aemetha said: Mostly because shardic conflicts in the cosmere aren't good versus evil battles. They are all pretty malign on balance as a consequence of the excessive emphasis on a single aspect of human nature they represent. Honor is inflexible and stubborn, and toward the end cared more about the words than the intention of the oaths. Odium is the shard of either passion or hatred, but either way you look at it he delights in turning allies into adversaries and inflaming their acrimony. So what you get is one entity inflaming conflict in general, and another entity that refuses to not engage as a matter or principle. Odium stokes tensions, Honor attempts to bind people to him, and is prepared to embrace those willing to bind themselves to oaths, regardless of what is actually good and fair, as long as they follow a code. In many ways Honor is the perfect shard for Odium to manipulate. Great point with the shards acting as personifications of their own individual ideals, I've definitely seen that within the cosmere before. I guess I missed that because of the way Odium acted so human in my opinion. Nonetheless, thank you for your input. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Complex he/him Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 11 minutes ago, Ookla, the Incalculable said: First, the Parshendi were never of Honor. Second, Odium arrived with the humans, and to the Parshendi, it would have seemed that he was their God, but this is not necessarily true. OK, so I have had a theory bouncing around my head since finishing, and I wonder what others think. Sorry if this is already posted somewhere. My theory is that honor was on another planet in roshar's system and was attacked my odium and fled to cultivation's planet with the humans. Cultivation maybe came to roshar and found an existing species and escalated them to dawnsingers (which would fit Sanderson's answers). In the letter from endowment to hoid, it sounds like the shards agreed not be on same planet Quote It was agreed that we would not interfere with one another, and it disappoints me that so few of the Shards have kept to this original agreement. So my theory is that honor isn't from roshar, and the spren are solar system wide which is why cultivation and him both have spren, and why the spren are many times from one or the other. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterWhiteVevo Posted December 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 33 minutes ago, Leuthie said: There's a single multi millennia year old writing that complains about humans bringing the god of voids with them. There's nothing that says the humans were "of Odium". Chances are that Odium was the reason they had to leave their previous planet in the first place. From the perspective of the Dawnsingers, the Humans brought the Void with them. Does that help your quandary? Awesome point, I clearly went into this with too many assumptions. Thanks for the help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceskykure Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 Also when referring to the Void, they were merely stating that Humans didn't have the Rhythums which to the Singers would be reminiscent of a void, or an absence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leuthie Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 They're also referring to a quality of Odium. He refers to himself as the god of Passion. His effect is to use up all passions and emotion in his service, leaving nothing. A void. The Dawnsingers could sense this directly, referring to Him and his followers as voidbringers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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