Blazenella he/him Posted December 1, 2017 Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 (edited) I've had a bit of a theory for a while now that I'm going to get out. When Venli speaks to the Fused, they refer to Honors death/splintering as if they were there Quote "We killed him, but his power lives on in his surgebinders" This could mean that either the Fused are partially from Honor or their part in killing him gave them power. Another point to this is that Sja-Anat says this Quote " We were made, then unmade" I personally think that means they were from Honor, but Odium corrupted them. So, what if the Listeners/Unmade/Fused were from Honor, but were later corrupted by Odium. We have to also consider the fact that the Listeners used to bond with spren from Honor (As Venli is showing), but then as the Listeners put it " Were betrayed". What if they were corrupted by Odium forcing the spren to stop bonding with them, and the Listeners saw this as betrayal. Edited December 1, 2017 by Blazenella Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryder Posted December 1, 2017 Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 Sorry in advance, this post is a bit of a WoB dump. Anyway, we know the listeners existed prior to the shattering of Adonalsium Quote Brandon Sanderson Humans (other than those on Yolen) existed pre-Shattering, as did parshmen. So the Listeners themselves weren't originally related to Honor, though that doesn't mean they weren't influenced when Honor and Cultivation arrived on Roshar. Some other supporting WoB's Quote Questioner (paraphrased) Are the Parshendi of Odium? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Not originally. Quote Questioner (paraphrased) Are the Parshendi of Cultivation? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Not originally. Quote PadraicSeebrr (paraphrased) Are the Parshendi of Honor? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) No. Secondly, I don't think the Listeners had ever bonded a KR spren in the past. What Venli is doing is something new. Quote Questioner What would happen if a Parshendi were to attract a spren and bring it into the Highstorm? Like, an Honorspren of some sort? Brandon Sanderson Sapient spren have a choice of whether they get bonded or not, unless you entrap them some way. But simply attracting them...simply going into the Highstorm with one wouldn't work, what you said is 'attracted a spren', so, to answer that actually... The thing is, honorspren, all the spren of Honor and Cultivation, not honorspren capital, Honorspren or whatever... The spren that create the orders of the Knights Radiant have not, in the past, been attracted to Parshendi because of certain events in the past. My theory is that humans arrived on Roshar after the cataclysm on Ashyn, bringing Odium with them. As they started to expand, they were displacing the Listeners. For whatever reason neither Honor nor Cultivation nor the sentient spren were helping the Listeners, so they turned to Odium who provided the voidforms and used them to start the Desolations. I don't know what the events are that made the sentient spren not be attracted to Listeners in the first place though, but I think the betrayal the Parshendi refer to is the KR spren forming nahel bonds with humans but not the Listeners. I do agree with you that the Unmade were originally of something else, but were then corrupted by Odium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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