[OB] Knife Gemstone

[Kardenal_13 he/him]

Ok so I've been reading the threads that people are posting and I realized that I hadn't seen this anywhere so I might as well post it. Basically I got an idea in my head that what Moash did to Jerzrien byt killing him with that knife is basically what Dalinar did to Nergaoul (hope that's the right Unmade XD), by trapping him in a Gemstone. 

The Gemstone in the knife that Moash uses to kill Jezrien is a Sapphire, which is associated with Jez already, and when Jezrien when Jezrien stops screamign "It's taking me" the Gemstone starts to glow softly. My idea is that the Heralds can be trapped in gemstones same as the Unmade. 

Evidence I think is against for this theory:
- Gemstone starts glowing when Jez dies
- Jezrien starts scream "It's taking me", not "It's killing me", granted he was pretty insane by the end there.

Against:
- Ash says "My father is dead"; not that he's been captured or anything similar

Welp, that's about it. Hope this wasn't already obvious to everyone or completely wrong XD.

 

Some wild speculation with no proof at all is that the Fused didn't/couldn't trap Jezrien themselves is that they are basically the same as Jezrien is now, they're basically living inside the Gemstones of the Parshendi they possess (at least that's how I interpret it), and maybe they can't trap others in gemstones without getting caught themselves (or they at least fear this happening).

Edited November 20, 2017 by Matt Snow

[Fifth of Daybreak he/him]

Would you mind editing your title to either be less spoilery or to put the spoiler later in the topic so it has less of a chance of showing up on the forums page?

Edited November 20, 2017 by Fifth of Daybreak

[Kardenal_13 he/him]

That better?

[Stephen Lightheart]

That's exactly what I assumed as well. I think the reason he seemed dead, is that her connection with him was broken when he was captured. I do worry that his body is actually dead, though.

[Bacon]

I think he's dead. I take it that what the knife did was take and store within it, whatever power made him an immortal herald. Basically the same as the blinding knife from Lightbringer. With his immortality taken away, he was free to die from the knife wound and stay dead this time. 

[redbishop]

Personally, the way I read that (viewing spren as Splinters and the Heralds as Cognitive Shadows, per WOB) is that the knife blade killed him, then the gemstone trapped him the same way a spren is trapped in a gem as his essence started traveling to Braize.  Assuming the gem is perfect, perhaps none of his Identity/Connection can leak out, preventing him from stopping the desolation and blocking his link to the others.

Of course, chemically, Sapphire is Aluminum Oxide (Al2O3), though that is probably a coincidence since not all gems that can store Stormlight involve Aluminum.

[Fifth of Daybreak he/him]

3 hours ago, Matt Snow said:

That better?

Much better, thanks. Every little bit we can do to help prevent spoilers for those who haven't read the books I'm sure is greatly appreciated, and thread titles show up on the main forum.

 

I'm not sure he could be captured though. While this could just be an unreliable narrator in Moash, it does seem pretty absolute.

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The final death of Jezrien. Yaezir. Jezerezeh’Elin, king of Heralds. A figure known in myth and lore as the greatest human who had ever lived.

 

Edited November 20, 2017 by Fifth of Daybreak

[Shuffel]

Potential hemalurgy. The gem makes it so the power doesn't leak, similar to blood..

[Fifth of Daybreak he/him]

27 minutes ago, Shuffel said:

Potential hemalurgy. The gem makes it so the power doesn't leak, similar to blood..

You evil genius! I love this.

[Hawkido]

I see this as a capture, not a kill.  Because How do you capture a Spren?  Give it what it really wants then trap it in the appropriate gem.  and Jezrein really wanted to die because of what the heralds did to Taln (How would Kaladin feel if you told him "all you need to do is abandon one of Bridge 4 to eternal torture"?). The Herald is similar enough to a spren, he just had to leave behind his meat puppet.  Odium wouldn't want the herald back on Braize blocking the rainbow bridge to Roshar.  Jez was only really upset when he realized he wasn't finally going to take up the watch in Damnation.  But Spiking Jez into another body, would that give Jez a new body? or would it give the Herald form to another person?  Could you differentiate based upon where you spike them?  All hemalurgy involves loss, you cannot avoid it, it is intrinsic to the power, but you can try to mitigate a fair percentage.  Why did the Singers not do this?  I feel it has something with why the troops swapped sides, and the trap for Odium.  Odium had to switch to the Parshendi so he could have them kill the human's which are anchoring him to the system.  I wonder, assuming Dalanar is the intended Honor replacement, would Dalanar need to absorb all of the heralds as well as tapping Honor's pool?  Perhaps this move is Odium blocking Dalanar's access to full Ascention.  Else is he just trying to assemble the parts needed to make the "Best" champion he can, for the eventual showdown.

Edited November 20, 2017 by Hawkido