TheDoomsday he/him Posted November 2, 2017 Posted November 2, 2017 Hey all. So it's basically confirmed that at some point the Radiants will be able to get Shardplate. If their spren can turn into blades, they can probably create plate too. My question is, how would it work? On Roshar, plate cannot be dismissed at will, unlike blades. So would KR be able to instantly summon plate, or not? And would it be made of the spren, or created by it? Could the KR have both blade and plate out at the same time? 1
Spoolofwhool Posted November 2, 2017 Posted November 2, 2017 (edited) In Dalinar's vision with the midnight essence, we see a Radiant who appears to have their helm appear out of nowhere. That seems to indicate that Radiant-held shardplate can be formed/dismissed at will, though what exact process is occurring is unknown. Edited November 3, 2017 by Spoolofwhool 1
TheDoomsday he/him Posted November 3, 2017 Author Posted November 3, 2017 10 hours ago, Spoolofwhool said: In Dalinar's vision with the midnight essence, we see a Radiant who appears to have their helm appear out of nowhere. That seems to indicate that Radiant-held shardplate can be formed/dismissed at will, though what exact process is occurring is unknown. I wonder what ideal you have to swear to get plate. Probably 4th or 5th, since Kaladin has sworn the most oaths of all the current radiants, and he's only sworn 3.
IllNsickly he/him Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, TheDoomsday said: I wonder what ideal you have to swear to get plate. Probably 4th or 5th, since Kaladin has sworn the most oaths of all the current radiants, and he's only sworn 3. Don't know where it is, but I read a WoB that said Shallan has progressed the farthest in Oaths. On topic, however... I think the fight scene between Kaladin and Szeth at the end of WoR gives us a hint about Shardplate. Did you notice the behaviour of the Windspren during the fight? How they sort of swarmed around him? I think that is a precursor to Plate. Windspren being related to Honourspren helps me feel better about my theory. Edited November 3, 2017 by IllNsickly Punctuation 2
Mulk he/him Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 12 minutes ago, IllNsickly said: Don't know where it is, but I read a WoB that said Shallan has progressed the farthest in Oaths. On topic, however... I think the fight scene between Kaladin and Szeth at the end of WoR gives us a hint about Shardplate. Did you notice the behaviour of the Windspren during the fight? How they sort of swarmed around him? I think that is a precursor to Plate. Windspren being related to Honourspren helps me feel better about my theory. I don't recall where that WoB was either, but it seems logical given Shallan had access to Pattern in blade form when she killed her mother in the flashback and she has progressed since at least once, when she admitted she killed her mother at the end of WoR 1
Calderis he/him Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/6984-lexington-ky-signing/?do=findComment&comment=114887 Quote tganchero (paraphrased) How many oaths can a Radiant swear? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) There is an upper-limit/threshold to the number of oaths a Radiant may make. By the end of WoR, Shallan was a step higher than Kaladin. 2
MistbornAlpaca he/him Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 There are several key differences between pre-TWoK Sharplate and Sharblades. First, Sharblades have a gemstone in them, but only to help in bonding them, meanwhile Shardplate cannot function without the gemstones. I think this mean that however KR Shardplate works, it will need to be powered by Stormlight while in use. Next is the dismissal and summoning of Sharblades and Shardplate. Bonded Shardblades can be dismissed and summoned at will, but plate cannot. Is it really that Plate cannot be dismissed and summoned, or has no one ever tried hard enough to bond their Shardplate? However I do think that the KR will be able to summon and dismiss their Shardplate. Especially due to the midnight essence vision Dalinar has.
Sallin Zeras he/him Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 I think that whenever they have sworn a certain amount of oaths, Radiants can make a certain type of spren make them a Shardplate. For example, Kaladin will be able to, at some point, tell the windspren to make a plate for him, then, whenever he doesn’t want it, the plate turns into windspren again. It’s just a theory, but I think it would be cool. 2
Yata he/him Posted November 5, 2017 Posted November 5, 2017 (edited) On 3/11/2017 at 3:41 PM, Mulk said: I don't recall where that WoB was either, but it seems logical given Shallan had access to Pattern in blade form when she killed her mother in the flashback and she has progressed since at least once, when she admitted she killed her mother at the end of WoR Shallan had at least the third Oaths as child but then She Almost killed Pattern and when in the current Story She call him again, She starts again from scratch. In WoK and WoR She reaches again the 4 Oaths with "I am scared", "I killed x" and "I killed Y" Truths Edited November 5, 2017 by Yata
Mulk he/him Posted November 5, 2017 Posted November 5, 2017 6 minutes ago, Yata said: Shallan had at least the third Oaths as child but then She Almost killed Pattern and when in the current Story She call him again, She starts again from scratch. In WoK and WoR She reaches again the 4 Oaths with "I am scared", "I killed x" and "I killed Y" Truths That makes very little sense given that Kaladin didn't have to start over after nearly killing Syl. Unless there is further clarification that there is some sort of deterioration over time anyway it makes it seem like an inconsistency in the story if that is the case. Or maybe the issue is Pattern bonded her too young? I don't know.
Yata he/him Posted November 5, 2017 Posted November 5, 2017 3 minutes ago, Mulk said: That makes very little sense given that Kaladin didn't have to start over after nearly killing Syl. Unless there is further clarification that there is some sort of deterioration over time anyway it makes it seem like an inconsistency in the story if that is the case. Or maybe the issue is Pattern bonded her too young? I don't know. Kaladin re-swear his Oaths too. And Shallan's bond really deteriorates but It was never broken. Years passed and Pattern flee in the CR to avoid the Death, but he never released the Bond. Probably a good analogy is with a critical clean wound (Kal's Oathbreaking) with a moderate unclear wound ignored and infected (Shallan's ignored Bond)
Sine2001 Posted November 5, 2017 Posted November 5, 2017 I don't think shardplate is a spren, after all dead shardblades effect surgebinders but a similar effect with shardplate is never mentioned, but even if shardplate was a spren I remember it being said that people couldn't bond shardblades until a gemstone was added to the hilt, there could be something similar with shardplate that just hasn't been discovered yet
matfire1999 Posted November 5, 2017 Posted November 5, 2017 isn't shardblade regenerated using gemstones incased in the armor?
Head Crabs Posted November 5, 2017 Posted November 5, 2017 1 hour ago, matfire1999 said: isn't shardblade regenerated using gemstones incased in the armor? If you mean shardplate, it is currently. But we are all under the assumption that a KR's plate would be directly powered by their own investiture. Later the gems were added to allow them to regenrate, just like gems were added to blades later to allow bonding again. It probably took people a long time to figure out. Im of the opinion that shardplate is actually part of a spren entering more fully into the physical realm as the knight swears more of the oaths. Less of the spren continues to exist in the cognitive realm and the plate can be summoned just like a blade at the earlier ideals. 1
Calderis he/him Posted November 5, 2017 Posted November 5, 2017 5 hours ago, Sine2001 said: I don't think shardplate is a spren, after all dead shardblades effect surgebinders but a similar effect with shardplate is never mentioned, but even if shardplate was a spren I remember it being said that people couldn't bond shardblades until a gemstone was added to the hilt, there could be something similar with shardplate that just hasn't been discovered yet Shardplate without Stormlight, and thus gems is locked up. Prior to the gems being added in, Shardplate would have been no better than statues.
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