Storing Allomantic Power Via Feruchemy

[Podman]

I can never tell if what I'm thinking has already been thought, posted, or if it's just plain stupid on my part. I seem to remember reading a WoB that said that, as you can enhance Feruchemy with Allomancy, i.e. compounding, you can also enhance your Allomancy with Feruchemy. What I'm wondering if it is possible to, as the title suggests, store Allomantic power into Feruchemy. For instance, could you burn pewter and store the A-Pewter's balance and strength into a metalmind? Could you tap it while burning more pewter? Could you eat that metalmind and then compound A-Pewter instead of F-Pewter? Now, Feruchemy works by storing internal attributes. A-Pewter enhances internal attributes, so that would make sense for you to be able to mix those a little bit. I doubt what I say next is possible, but I might as well put it out there. Could you, assuming everything else I've said is true and possible, store an external metal like A-Steel or A-Iron in the same way you would do with the A-Pewter? I want to hear your guys's(?"guys's"?) thoughts on this since I, like I believe most avid Sanderfans are, am slightly (or not so slightly) insane. Thanks for your feedback beforehand!

[Yata he/him]

6 minutes ago, podman36 said:

What I'm wondering if it is possible to, as the title suggests, store Allomantic power into Feruchemy. For instance, could you burn pewter and store the A-Pewter's balance and strength into a metalmind?

If there is a metalmind that could hold an attribute generated by Allomancy, you could do it. In your specific istance, I believe no metalmind could store balance, but for example you could store the extra strenght in a Pewtermind or the extra speed in a steelmind or the extra vitality in a goldmind. But this is not Compounding, simply you have an extra amount of that attribute thanks to the allomancy and therefore you could store more of it without trouble.

9 minutes ago, podman36 said:

Could you tap it while burning more pewter? Could you eat that metalmind and then compound A-Pewter instead of F-Pewter?

No the Metalmind is keeping just regular Strenght and therefore it's no special at all.

10 minutes ago, podman36 said:

Now, Feruchemy works by storing internal attributes. A-Pewter enhances internal attributes, so that would make sense for you to be able to mix those a little bit. I doubt what I say next is possible, but I might as well put it out there. Could you, assuming everything else I've said is true and possible, store an external metal like A-Steel or A-Iron in the same way you would do with the A-Pewter? I want to hear your guys's(?"guys's"?) thoughts on this since I, like I believe most avid Sanderfans are, am slightly (or not so slightly) insane. Thanks for your feedback beforehand!

As I explained before this stuff are not possible, you don't store neither A-Pewter in a Metalmind, you are simply stronger while burning Pewter and this allow you to store more than usual.

Anyway returning to your first question, the possibility to Increase Allomancy using Feruchemy. The answer is with Nicrosil Feruchemy. F-Nicrosil allows to store your Spirit-Web (so you became a weaker Allomancer while you are storing it, and then a stronger allomancer while you are tapping from a NicrosilMind) but this is still different from what you proposed as Nicrosil stores the ability to use that power rather than the power itself

[Kari he/him]

@Yata Doesn't storing obscene amounts of F-Nicrosil allow you to use allomancy?

 

[Yata he/him]

Just now, Waymaker said:

@Yata Doesn't storing obscene amounts of F-Nicrosil allow you to use allomancy?

I am unsure about what you want to say.

A NicrosilMind could keep the Allomancy's Spirit-Web but someone had to store it into. It's not about "Obscene amount of" if a A-Steel/F-Nicrosil Twinborn stores his Allomantic power for 10 seconds he would be able to tap from that NicrosilMind to be twice stronger for 10 seconds.

Probably I just miss the point you wanted to make, could you clarify ?

[Kari he/him]

My mind set was on the bands of mourning. (I got like 3 hours of sleep... I'm tired and can't think)

[Yata he/him]

4 minutes ago, Waymaker said:

My mind set was on the bands of mourning. (I got like 3 hours of sleep... I'm tired and can't think)

ok, the Band of Mourning (spoiler from the book if the OP didn't read it)

Spoiler

The Bands of Mourning are simply a Medallion with (probably) 32 powers.

The Medallions are Unsealed (witch mean that everybody could tap from it) NicrosilMinds, nothing more...nothing left.

 

All I said before is true, for sake of semplicity don't think about the Unsealing procedure. Someone with F-Nicrosil and another power, stored this other power in the metal and now who tap that Nicrosilmind is able to gain for a while that power (consuming Feruchemical charge so, it's not forever)

 

[Podman]

1 hour ago, Yata said:

If there is a metalmind that could hold an attribute generated by Allomancy, you could do it. In your specific istance, I believe no metalmind could store balance, but for example you could store the extra strenght in a Pewtermind or the extra speed in a steelmind or the extra vitality in a goldmind. But this is not Compounding, simply you have an extra amount of that attribute thanks to the allomancy and therefore you could store more of it without trouble.

No the Metalmind is keeping just regular Strenght and therefore it's no special at all.

I hear what you’re saying, but I have to disagree in favor of my theory a little bit. According to what you’re saying, if the same rules apply to compounding, there would be no compounding. You said that a metalmind could only hold an attribute generated by Allomancy if Feruchemy could naturally hold that attribute. But if you reverse that statement to: a metal can only generate power that is stored by Feruchemy if Allomancy can naturally generate that power. With compounding, that’s not true. There are no metals you can naturally burn to get health, but with Feruchemy it creates a new metal. What I’m suggesting is that when you burn a metal, it creates a new possible power that can be stored in that metal, just as storing an attribute creates a new power, a new metal, that can be burned.

Basically my theory is reverse compounding. You say it wouldn’t work because Feruchemy needs to be able to already store that attribute, but that’s not how F-Compounding works, so why would it be that way for A-Compounding. Correct me if I’m wrong or if you see any major obvious flaws with my theory and defense of it. 

[Yata he/him]

30 minutes ago, podman36 said:

You said that a metalmind could only hold an attribute generated by Allomancy if Feruchemy could naturally hold that attribute.

What I said, it's there is no "I store the power into a metalmind", the power produce an effect, if this effect change the user and allow (in some cases) to performe Feruchemy better than usual. If I burn pewter and my strenght improves, I could store more strenght than usual into a pewtermind because I have more strenght avaliable and I risk less to die for over storing.

30 minutes ago, podman36 said:

But if you reverse that statement to: a metal can only generate power that is stored by Feruchemy if Allomancy can naturally generate that power. With compounding, that’s not true

Your error here is to assume that a statement (in this case the one about the relationship between Allomancy and Feruchemy) could be freely reversed. This is false in logic A->B is not the same thing as B->A and can't be taken as true for itself.

30 minutes ago, podman36 said:

There are no metals you can naturally burn to get health, but with Feruchemy it creates a new metal. What I’m suggesting is that when you burn a metal, it creates a new possible power that can be stored in that metal, just as storing an attribute creates a new power, a new metal, that can be burned.

What could be stored in a metal is defined by the Metal's structure, it's not a matter of power or weird exceptions. A specific metal could hold only specific kind of charge.

I could understand your logic, but the premise is different, while the Feruchemy inherit change the metal you are using (and the same thing happens with Hemalurgy by the way) and this could carry a change in the metal's function (allowing the Compounding for example), the Allomancy didn't change the metal's structure.

30 minutes ago, podman36 said:

Correct me if I’m wrong or if you see any major obvious flaws with my theory and defense of it. 

You could try to find another topics on the same theory (you are not the first to propose it), I am quite sure there is one of them with a name similar to "Steelpush in a Steelmind". I believe the talk there was more complete than something I could wrote down now with the little time I had now

 

EDIT: I found this, it's not the post I rememeber but still better than nothing.

 

Edited October 24, 2017 by Yata