Salkara Posted October 4, 2017 Posted October 4, 2017 Crazy, off-the-wall theory here. Based on existing WoBs, I don't actually believe it, but it would be cool: What if the Stormfather was actually one of the Unmade? There have been several mentions that Dalinar's visions may not come from the Almighty. Recently, Kadash mentioned that Voidbringer princes (e.g. Unmade) could mislead men with lies. I think it would turn out to be quite a bit of foreshadowing if the Stormfather was one of Odium's nine shadows, bent on leading Dalinar astray. It would definitely explain why Dalinar thought Odium's champion was so familiar. Having bonded one of the Unmade, he's probably already on his way to becoming that champion. And no wonder he said it wouldn't be his place to fight the champion! I mean, unless he's going to be slapping himself whilst yelling, "Why are you hitting yourself, Blackthorn? Why are you hitting yourself?" Now, before anybody starts shooting holes in this theory, I know they exist, and I know they're quite large. If the Stormfather is an Unmade, does that make Syl a voidspren? How would one of Honor's oaths bind an Unmade? Why are there so many WoBs that are clear about the Stormfather being a Cognitive Shadow of Honor? I don't actually believe this theory is true, but I might want it to be. 3
Wreith he/him Posted October 4, 2017 Posted October 4, 2017 (edited) I agree that this is extremely unlikely, but before the deluge begins: It's possible that the visions are true but Stormfather has still been corrupted. If the merging of Tanavast with the Stormfather "hardcoded" the visions, they would potentially still trigger even if the Stormfather was compromised. We know from one of these visions that there is an Unmade capable of corrupting lesser spren in the past. Perhaps it has grown in strength and corrupted the Stormfather. I don't think the bond is really with the Unmade because I don't think that would result in surgebindings for Dalinar. I do however think it's possible we shouldn't trust the Stormfather as much as we do. And it's worth pointing out that Stormfather was opposed to any of his under-spren bonding Radiants again. Maybe there's more to that than the fear of broken oaths. Edited October 4, 2017 by Wreith
+Wax he/him Posted October 4, 2017 Posted October 4, 2017 Well, the theory doesn’t work. + Why crash in with Everstorm + Voidbinding and surgebinding don’t mix, so how could he have enhanced Shallan’s power I can believe though that the stormfather is broken in some way. Syl mentions that Stormfather is trying to avoid the future at the end if WoR. Dalinar mentions the moodiness of when the Stormfather responds.
Wreith he/him Posted October 4, 2017 Posted October 4, 2017 10 minutes ago, axcellence said: Well, the theory doesn’t work. + Why crash in with Everstorm + Voidbinding and surgebinding don’t mix, so how could he have enhanced Shallan’s power I can believe though that the stormfather is broken in some way. Syl mentions that Stormfather is trying to avoid the future at the end if WoR. Dalinar mentions the moodiness of when the Stormfather responds. His explicit purpose for creating a Highstorm contrary to the Everstorm was to wipe the slate clean Quote I bring a storm of cleansing. I will carry away your corpses. This is all I can do. He wasn't anticipating saving anyone. I don't know what your second point is referring to. Can you elaborate?
Salkara Posted October 4, 2017 Author Posted October 4, 2017 33 minutes ago, Wreith said: I don't know what your second point is referring to. Can you elaborate? I'm pretty sure @axcellence was referring to the Lightweaving map from a couple OB chapters back. Like I said, there's plenty of holes in the theory, but I'm not entirely sure that's one. I don't believe it was specifically stated that surgebinding and voidbinding can't work together. We've seen other instances of magics being used together (e.g. Compounders), so I'd say it's unlikely but not impossible on Roshar.
Wreith he/him Posted October 4, 2017 Posted October 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Salkara said: I'm pretty sure @axcellence was referring to the Lightweaving map from a couple OB chapters back. Like I said, there's plenty of holes in the theory, but I'm not entirely sure that's one. I don't believe it was specifically stated that surgebinding and voidbinding can't work together. We've seen other instances of magics being used together (e.g. Compounders), so I'd say it's unlikely but not impossible on Roshar. Ah, that makes sense. That's not really voidbinding though. It's described as using Stormfather's knowledge to complement Shallan's weaving. It isn't a power, just geographical information. If other Unmade are as interested in gathering intel as we theorize Moeloch is, then I don't see a problem with an Unmade-Stormfather being "helpful" in this instance.
Salkara Posted October 5, 2017 Author Posted October 5, 2017 Okay, so I was procrastinating from making my daughters' lunches last night, and I decided to see if I could group and order the Diagram epigraphs to see if they'd make more sense. One of them may actually lend some credence to at least a small part of this crazy theory. The Diagram's "Book of the 2nd Desk Drawer" has three paragraphs in the epigraphs: ¶14 is about how the Unmade aren't worth Mr. T's time but that he can't help thinking of them. It also states most Unmade are mindless, but some can think. ¶15 is about how Mr. T will make use of Moelach and the death rattles. ¶27 is "One is almost certainly a traitor to the others." Now, I'd always assumed that ¶27 was in reference to our protagonists (e.g. "One of them may redeem us. And one of them will destroy us."), but taken in context of the other two paragraphs, it seems to say that one of the Unmade is a traitor. Is there any WoB about the loyalties of the Unmade? Could one of them hate the other eight? Maybe part of Odium hates himself? Could the Stormfather have latched onto one of the "mindless" Unmade in order to keep himself from passing on (similar to Kelsier and Ruin's prison)? I got ideas guys, and a lot of them are probably wrong! 2
Guest Edonidd Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 I have an equally crazy theory. Maybe Earth's moon is actually Adonalsium. AND it is/was made out of bananas peeled and piled on top of each other. I know it doesn't make any sense, and literally everything we've ever read says this can't be the case, but wouldn't it be a huge shock if it was true. Now I'm not necessarily saying it is true, but i kind of want it to be.
Wyndrunner he/him Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 Quote It's possible that the visions are true but Stormfather has still been corrupted. Or that the Stormfather is true and the visions have been corrupted. Wasn't there a vision Dalinar had where he saw something that the Stormfather did not see? This could be due to the influence of the Unmade or some other voidish beings.
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