Calderis he/him Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 So I just wanted to add this here for completeness. Bondsmiths are an exception to the rule, and other Orders have the same type of spren order wide http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=1088#42 Quote QUESTION The Nahel bond, what determines whether you get a Cryptic or an honorspren? BRANDON SANDERSON The spren themselves. QUESTION So it doesn't have anything to do with the Orders of the Knights Radiant? BRANDON SANDERSON Um, you have to attract the spren, the same way you attract emotionspren, you have to attract the right spren for the Order.
Calderis he/him Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 23 minutes ago, FiveLate said: Are we positive on that historically, or using Dalinar to assume the past? I can't find it now and it's bothering me. There's a WoB that Brandon says Bondsmiths never had Shardblades. The person asking the question was surprised, saying that they thought this was something new with Dalinar and he confirmed again that Bondsmiths were always bladeless.
+Extesian he/him Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 13 minutes ago, Calderis said: I can't find it now and it's bothering me. There's a WoB that Brandon says Bondsmiths never had Shardblades. The person asking the question was surprised, saying that they thought this was something new with Dalinar and he confirmed again that Bondsmiths were always bladeless. Here it is. I'll try respond to this thread more generally in a bit Quote Q: As it is ornamented in such a way... Could it be related to a Bondsmith? A: Bondsmith's didn't have Blades. Q: All of them? It's just... Maybe it was just the Stormfather... A: No. That's a really good guess. Really good guess. I'm gonna RAFO Bondsmiths because you gonna learn a lot about them in the next book because it's the Bondsmith's book. That's a really good theory, but it's not true. But there's a reason to it, why it has all the 10 orders.
Calderis he/him Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, Extesian said: Here it is. I'll try respond to this thread more generally in a bit Man, theoryland got me cause of an apostrophe. I searched for every combination of Bondsmiths, Bondsmith, Shardblades, Shardblade, blades, blade... Didn't try Bondsmith's... Stupid exact wording requirement is stupid.
+Extesian he/him Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 Just now, Calderis said: Man, theoryland got me cause of an apostrophe. I searched for every combination of Bondsmiths, Bondsmith, Shardblades, Shardblade, blades, blade... Didn't try Bondsmith's... Stupid exact wording requirement is stupid. Not on theoryland. Its from the Krakow signing
Calderis he/him Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 Just now, Extesian said: Not on theoryland. Its from the Krakow signing ... Well that's stupid too ... Thanks for being so awesome
+Extesian he/him Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 Man this thread got long while I was asleep. And since I woke up. I’ll summarise my thoughts, and put in WoBs later if I need to. I think Pattern’s worries about being killed have more to do with Shallan almost severing her bond by repressing her memories as a child, but that action made Pattern scared she’d do it completely because of the past. I agree that Syl could have been Nahel-bonded in the past and not locked in Blade form. Firstly, her particular radiant could have died pre-Recreance but then the Recreance happened before she bonded again. Secondly, all orders (but one) took part, but does that mean that literally every radiant from those orders individually broke their oaths? Maybe not. As for the question of why the Stormfather survived, and why he refuses to be locked into shardblade form, I have a fairly simple (but hopefully realmatically sensible) answer Quote Question Does the spren have to be present for a Surgebinder to have their abilities? Because with Dalinar, the Stormfather won’t be around all the time... Brandon Sanderson Good Question! Fortunately, the Stormfather is a little more omnipresent. Normally you’re gonna have to have your spren close, but the Stormfather absorbed... is basically Honor’s cognitive shadow, which means he’s got a connection to a lot of different things, so he’s not bound by a lot of the rules that others are. The Stormfather has Connections flowing everywhere in Roshar, to people, to Honor, to…everywhere. This is what gives him omnipresence. Sure, that WoB indicates that the merging with Honor’s CS is a big part of those Connections, but I’m inclined to believe many of them existed before because he’s the storming Stormfather. And those Connections kept him alive when death could have been possible (or death was never possible simply because he was too Connected to other things to depend on the maintenance of the Oath for survival). I think that he doesn’t just want to avoid being a Blade because of the Recreance, he bonded before then but refused to become a Blade. I think he (and presumably the other super-spren) are so Connected to many things that they can’t, or would simply be foolish to, confine themselves to a single physical form. Similar to the way that once a Shard invests in a planet, they can’t just leave, they’re too connected to it. 3
Calderis he/him Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 @Extesian I also believe (and this is pure speculation on my part) that the uberspren just can't. Look at the size of Syl compared to the Stormfather, if he were to try and manifest physically, I think the blade would be proportionally large, and light or not, unusable. 2
Ari he/him Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 On 14/07/2017 at 5:13 AM, Scriptorian said: I can never seem to actually find where he originally confirmed a maximum of three Bondsmiths (the in-world WoR epigraph only seems to say that three was a common number, not the necessarily the maximum). I suppose this means there could be more spren that could potentially make bondsmiths, just that there was never more than three bonded at a time. But just how many more spren like the Stormfather could there have been? There usual train of thought has the Stormfather, the Nightwatcher, and some other mega spren (possibly of Odium) as the three candidates for Bondsmiths spren. Edit: third time ninja'd today. I seem to attract them. Edit again: reread the WoB and realized it could mean a maximum of three Bondsmiths or a maximum of three spren (the latter implying the former). Either way, it's probable the Stormfather was bonded previously as Calderis described. If you read the in-universe WoR carefully, it implies that to talk about the number growing beyond three is considered blasphemous, which probably means there are ways for it to happen. That would suggest that going beyond three requires some sort of Odiumspren. I suspect the reason they usually numbered no more than three is that there's a spren of Honour (accounted for, that's the Stormfather) a spren of Cultivation, (possibly the Nightwatcher themselves) and a spren that's equally of both that we haven't identified yet. If correct, that would suggest that there could be at least three, perhaps four additional bondsmiths if there were no risk to incorporating Odiumspren into the order. (obviously, there is, and that's why it was considered seditious to talk about recruited any further) That would be one Spren of Odium, one of equal parts Honour and Odium, one of equal parts Cultivation and Odium, and maybe also one balanced between all three. 1
Calderis he/him Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 @Ari I'll repost this here, because we have confirmation. There are exactly three Bondsmith spren. The Stormlight Archive pocket companion verified it, and Brandon later confirmed it. From Pagerunner's Reddit WoB collection, #459 Quote Q: The pocket companion states that there are three spren that can bond a person to make them into a bondsmith, the Stormfather being one of them. As far as I recall the books implied that the number was low, and implied heavily that it was around that number in an epigraph, but didn't actually have a straight confirmation. So, should I take that as canon? A: Yes, you can take that as canon. They came to me for that information.
Ari he/him Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 Right, there are now. What the in-universe book was talking about was whether it was possible to more widely recruit. You don't go calling an idea blasphemous and seditious because it's impossible, you do so because it's dangerous.
Calderis he/him Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 36 minutes ago, Ari said: Right, there are now. What the in-universe book was talking about was whether it was possible to more widely recruit. You don't go calling an idea blasphemous and seditious because it's impossible, you do so because it's dangerous. Ah I see what you're saying, and I think this may be the answer here. http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=1052#64 Quote QUESTION Before the Recreance, there were three Bondsmiths. Did they all bond supersprens, or is Dalinar an exception? BRANDON SANDERSON They did something similar. QUESTION Can the Unmade be bonded? BRANDON SANDERSON Wow...plausible. Er, possible, I should say. QUESTION If you came up with a Radiant-like ideal, for yourself as a writer, what would it be? BRANDON SANDERSON What a great question! (writes the answer in asker's book). FOOTNOTE Does this imply that the unmade are spren?
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