Calderis he/him Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 I was kind of falling down and rabbit hole of WoBs when I ran into this one http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=1094#56 Quote INTERVIEW: Sep 4th, 2014 Salt Lake City Comic-Con 2014 (Verbatim) QUESTION And does he [Odium] control the Voidbringers through the spren in the same way that the Inquisitors were controlled by Ruin? BRANDON SANDERSON There are definitely-- In fact what you have just seen with Eshonai shares an awful lot with what happened in Mistborn. TAGS odium, parshendi, ruin, steel inqusitors, spren, hemalurgy, I'd always felt that the screaming Eshonai felt when she touched the comet spren was the "real" her. I've seen the recent WoB that says its more than that, and has something to do Roshar itself. I still think that it's a part of it though. This WoB made me think of Eshonai's PoVs in Stormform in parallel to what we saw of Marsh. I wanted to share in case anyone else hadn't looked at it this way before. So the thoughts and actions we see are directed by the voidspren to an extent. Eshonai, despite essentially being a passenger in her body is still forced to feel those feelings as if they were her own... It's exactly what I thought it was, but more... Invasive. I felt bad for Eshonai before, but now seeing the control as similar to Marsh and Ruin just makes that so much more intense. 4
+Extesian he/him Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 I assume you've seen this one Calderis? Quote ZAS678 Can Odium influence people the same way that Ruin can? BRANDON SANDERSON (PARAPHRASED) [misunderstands question as a question about kandra/koloss/parshendi] Well, you see, the kandra and the koloss have a "hole" in them that allows Ruin to come in and take over. The Parshendi naturally are protected from this, but when they expose themselves to the storms, and the spren come in, many of these spren have that kind of "hole" in them, and that’s what allows Odium to take control of them. ZAS678 No, I'm talking about how Ruin was able to push people, place things in their minds, stuff like that. Can Odium do the same thing? BRANDON SANDERSON (PARAPHRASED) Well, Odium wasn't around when those people were created [Here it sounded like the mankind that's on that planet, not the specific generation], so it's a little different for him than Ruin. So if he influences people in that way, it's through the Unmade. So yeah I've always seen it the same way, that when Eshonai bonded a voidspren, it has a built in hole, exactly like Ruin designed (through TLR) Kandra, to enable him to possess the Parshendi at any time through direct access to their spiritweb (the spren integrates into their spiritweb and the hole allows possession). I actually don't believe the screams are like Szeth's ones, or the spiritual stuff Nan Balat is tapping into, I think it's, as you said, directly comparable to Marsh where he has his own thoughts only sometimes (when control is not active) but the rest of the time his thoughts are really someone else's. 1
Calderis he/him Posted June 1, 2017 Author Posted June 1, 2017 The whole thing with Marsh I found super disturbing. The whole idea of not only being forced to commit atrocities, but to be forced to think it through and enjoy it. To have every aspect of yourself, not just your body, hijacked. Imagining that upped in scale to contain almost all of the listeners and Parshmen... I mean, like I said, I saw what was happening, but the way the screams from the Spren were, I kind of felt like the Spren was Eshonai and here Cognitive aspect had been shunted aside and replaced by the voidspren. Seeimg that it's like Marsh... Ugh. It feels kind of disgusting.
+Extesian he/him Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 Yeah sanderson does that so well. Game of Thrones deals with disturbing concepts and makes them more disturbing by going into graphic detail and reminding you it could happen. Sanderson takes utterly horrifying concepts and plays them down, letting the reader get as disturbed as they want to. It's why one of my favorite lines is "Marsh struggled to kill himself". So simple. Such a horrific concept, desperately wanting to die to avoid pain to others, and being unable to. And it's why one of the feelings that will stick with me forever is the idea of stubbing your toe and the pain NEVER getting better. Sanderson has the dark mind of Stephen King with perfect restraint. And yeah it certainly makes you understand the Parshendi choosing to lobotomize themselves rather than face that again. 2
Calderis he/him Posted June 1, 2017 Author Posted June 1, 2017 18 minutes ago, Extesian said: Yeah sanderson does that so well. Game of Thrones deals with disturbing concepts and makes them more disturbing by going into graphic detail and reminding you it could happen. Sanderson takes utterly horrifying concepts and plays them down, letting the reader get as disturbed as they want to. It's why one of my favorite lines is "Marsh struggled to kill himself". So simple. Such a horrific concept, desperately wanting to die to avoid pain to others, and being unable to. And it's why one of the feelings that will stick with me forever is the idea of stubbing your toe and the pain NEVER getting better. Sanderson has the dark mind of Stephen King with perfect restraint. And yeah it certainly makes you understand the Parshendi choosing to lobotomize themselves rather than face that again. Yeah. Parshmen make a lot more sense now.
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