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We know that something about the thrill is becoming sickening to Dalinar.

My thought is that his developing connection to honor (through his lifestyle and nahel bond) is both allowing him to access stormlight to heal, as well as interferes with the thrill (likely being the influence of an unmade). That interference makes him feel sick.

Another point to consider is if stormlight as a system was set up by honor and cultivation - and is the natural source of surgebinding - and if both honor and cultivationspren nahel bonds can channel it equally without interference, would odium (who showed up on roshar considerably later) be realmically capable of fueling his planet-influenced form of magic (is. Voidbinding) with something that has historically been the medium of honor and cultivation.

It seems that spren can have a dual, intermingling nature of the two of them without interference, so it's a reasonable assumption that whether stormlight is the vapor form of both cultivation and honor, or indeed just honor (as I think was confirmed by WoB?) there is no interference between honor and cultivations' investitures on a practical level: Surgebinders of both alignments can access it.

that's the background. My question is, if these conflicting investitures (stormlight/honor-based and thrill/odium-based) demonstrably cause such a debilitating and connection-nullifying reaction in Dalinar, isn't it a reasonable assumption that a voidbinder under the influence of/ bonded to an odiumspren would suffer similar investiture-dissonance if they were infused by stormlight? And further to that, wouldn't that mean voidbinding would require some energy source other than one derived from honor or cultivation?

The implications of this could be vast, or non-existant. After all, it could still be that all odium-spren (including the unmade) are simply corrupted (mixed investiture) forms of honor/cultivationspren, and retain their ability to process stormlight. But then... If that's the case. Then why would Dalinar react to the thrill as he did; becoming sickened and unable to maintain it.

If my suspicions are correct and voidbinding isn't fueled by stormlight, then what is it fueled by? Maybe odium is taking a more direct hand and fueling powers directly? It doesn't seem like him to give away his power to be used by people. And how closely can voidbinding mimic stormlight's powers? The physical manifestation could be very similar, seeing as how the planet focus and sDNA of the people are constants.

Here is where... Finally... I get to some plot-relevant discussion. I think that whatever is happening to Renarin is not caused by odium, because I am convinced that he is actually becoming a surgebinder and Glys is a radiant spren. This comes from the way Brandon speaks about Renarin and truthwatching, as well as the 'you stopped wearing glasses... Stormlight healed your eyes' exchange. There are just too many things that point to Renarin actually becoming a radiant. And if that is happening, then I dont think that odium could influence him to scribble prophesies, etc., because of the aforementioned interference. However! I dont discount the possibility that Cultivation is the one taking over during his episodes.

Rant over. Any input please? I know it's rude of me to not reference a single WoB in all of that :P but I hope you'll all forgive me and consider my points and intuitive leaps,

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I for sure agree with you about the Renarin thing. I was pretty sure to begin with that he was a Surgebinder.

You make some excellent points, though.

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10 hours ago, Darkness said:

Another point to consider is if Stormlight as a system was set up by honor and cultivation - and is the natural source of Surgebinding

Stormlight, the Highstorms and many other things are of Adonalsium and existed before Honor showed up. He then co-opted them when he set up on Roshar and eventually Surgebinding showed up. That said, I believe Stormlight has become the gaseous form of Shardic Investiture now.

10 hours ago, Darkness said:

After all, it could still be that all odium-spren (including the unmade) are simply corrupted (mixed investiture) forms of honor/cultivationspren, and retain their ability to process stormlight. But then... If that's the case. Then why would Dalinar react to the thrill as he did; becoming sickened and unable to maintain it.

The Unmade are splinters of Odium, which precludes the possibility of them being corrupted H&C Spren. Thus they are entirely of odium, allowing Nahel-Bonded individuals to feel uneasy and affected by the Thrill. An interesting question would be whether a Proto-Radiant could have a death rattle...

10 hours ago, Darkness said:

f my suspicions are correct and voidbinding isn't fueled by stormlight, then what is it fueled by? [...] The physical manifestation could be very similar, seeing as how the planet focus and sDNA of the people are constants.

I feel like it should still be Stormlight for the same reason that you think the physical manifestation could be similar.

I think a Shard has the power to break through that interference where a mere splinter couldn't. That said, I don't think that is what Odium is doing, and i believe that Renarin is a genuine surgebinder

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10 hours ago, The One Who Connects said:

 An interesting question would be whether a Proto-Radiant could have a death rattle...

I think we know this.

One of the Death Rattles is from a potter reported to have visions during the Highstorms in the previous months

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On ‎29‎/‎04‎/‎2017 at 4:28 AM, The One Who Connects said:

Stormlight, the Highstorms and many other things are of Adonalsium and existed before Honor showed up. He then co-opted them when he set up on Roshar and eventually Surgebinding showed up. That said, I believe Stormlight has become the gaseous form of Shardic Investiture now.

I know that highstorms existed before the shards came, but were they infused with investiture? I cant really remember the WoB. I'll try to find it.

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On 4/30/2017 at 10:00 PM, Darkness said:

I know that Highstorms existed before the shards came, but were they infused with investiture? I cant really remember the WoB. I'll try to find it.

Lacking the specific WoB(searching the subreddit's "Monthly WoB Roundups" as we speak), we do know that Stormlight had to exist from several other ones. The entire ecosystem is built around both Stormlight and the Highstorms, and we know the ecosystem existed pre-Shards.

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