GoufCustom Posted February 9, 2017 Posted February 9, 2017 Essentially what it says in the title. I've been thinking of a lot of Cosmere questions lately, and I think this is one I'm most proud of, as it doesn't seem like anyone else has sparked on the idea yet. If a worldhopper traveled to Nalthis and died for whatever reason, would they be able to return? We know that Breath is one of the easiest magics for non-natives to wield, and since the Divine Breath of a Returned comes from Endowment, it stands to reason that a Shard would have an even easier time stamping Investment onto someone from the outside. I think there are some interesting possibilities here. I subsequently started wondering if, perhaps, the female Terris worldhopper was a member of the Court of the Returned. I think it would be really neat, and quite unexpected, though I understand that the nurse is the prevailing theory and more likely, considering the gleeful smile Brandon gave when asked. 1
Spoolofwhool Posted February 9, 2017 Posted February 9, 2017 I think there's a WoB that says that only people with a connection to Endowment can return, and who are holding breath. I'll have to check.
Unodus he/him Posted February 9, 2017 Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) I'm not sure if this really counts as "Returning", but have people considered that there is a parallel between what happened to Wax in the Bands of Morning and the Returned? To refer to the coppermind, compare "Lightsong had a Voice speak to him, offering him a chance to Return and change the events of his vision" and "Harmony gives Wax a choice: freedom, or going back for another adventure. Wax chooses to go back" If this is the case, does that mean all shards have the capacity to restore life before the cognitive aspect unravels- assuming there is an intact anchor and the host is willing? The difference with Endowment being that she gives divine breath to create a new host. In either case, I believe Spool is correct Edited February 9, 2017 by Unodus
Yata he/him Posted February 9, 2017 Posted February 9, 2017 3 minutes ago, Unodus said: I'm not sure if this really counts as "Returning", but have people considered that there is a parallel between what happened to Wax in the Bands of Morning and the Returned? The Returning is different by a "simple" healing also if the subject was physical (but nothing more) dead. A Returned is something that happen when the deadman become (for his own or with Endowment's help...we don't know) a Cognitive Shadow and Endowment give him the chance to return and provide a Divine Breath to use as a link between the corpse and the Cognitive Shadow. The Healing instead is simply giving enough Healing to someone who died but has still his ties to the physical Realm to regenerate/heal the physical. From the Cosmere's Healing the status of the body is quite irrilevant so, the difference between a scar healed and a resurrection of a recent beheaded man is simply in the amount of required Investiture.
GoufCustom Posted February 9, 2017 Author Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) That... is an interesting correlation that I had not drawn. I've been poring through WoB without seeing anything about it, but that is a rather huge list. Edit: Got it! Difficult, but not impossible. Quote Q. Did he actually come from Nalthis and not Roshar? A. I’m not going to actually answer that one. Well I can answer that: yes he does come from Nalthis. It’s pretty obvious that the way that the Breath’s working, the reason he moved is because it’s easier to get Stormlight than Breaths, and Stormlight can fuel being a Returned like him. And so yes, he was born on Nalthis. Becoming Returned without being born on Nalthis would be really hard. My assumption would be that a feruchemist could tap sufficient Connection to "bond" with Nalthis, like how Southern Scadrians are able to communicate with Northern Scadrians except on a larger, more dramatic scale. This would probably also have to be coincidental, since we don't really understand the criteria necessary to Return, plus you could only sustain that level of Connection for so long, leaving a short window to die and come back. Second edit: Reformatted for better flow. Edited February 9, 2017 by GoufCustom
kenod Posted February 9, 2017 Posted February 9, 2017 2 hours ago, GoufCustom said: My assumption would be that a feruchemist could tap sufficient Connection to "bond" with Nalthis, like how Southern Scadrians are able to communicate with Northern Scadrians except on a larger, more dramatic scale. This would probably also have to be coincidental, since we don't really understand the criteria necessary to Return, plus you could only sustain that level of Connection for so long, leaving a short window to die and come back. Hemalurgy, maybe?
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