the_archduke Posted October 9, 2016 Posted October 9, 2016 Why was Adolin so worried that Sadeas was going to order Dalinar's arrest in Book 1? In Book 2, doesn't Dalinar tell Kaladin (regarding Amaram's treachery) that you can't arrest a shardbearer? You either have to kill them or let them free.
marianmi Posted October 10, 2016 Posted October 10, 2016 (edited) Dalinar is not a shardbearer anymore. EDIT: also, shardbearers cannot be imprisoned for the simple reason that they can summon their blade and cut their way out of prison. Dalinar, even if he were a shardbearer, if arrested would never run out of prison, he would want to prove his innocence (from jail). Edited October 10, 2016 by marianmi
Savanorn he/him Posted October 10, 2016 Posted October 10, 2016 1 minute ago, marianmi said: Dalinar is not a shardbearer anymore. He was at the time.
Spoolofwhool Posted October 10, 2016 Posted October 10, 2016 7 minutes ago, marianmi said: Dalinar is not a shardbearer anymore. EDIT: also, shardbearers cannot be imprisoned for the simple reason that they can summon their blade and cut their way out of prison. Dalinar, even if he were a shardbearer, if arrested would never run out of prison, he would want to prove his innocence (from jail). Actually, Dalinar said the other reason they cannot arrest shardbearer's is because their status is too high for that to happen. Quote “Let him go, son,” Dalinar said, sighing. “His reputation is broken.” “He is still a murderer.” “And we will try him fairly,” Dalinar said, “once I return. I can’t imprison him—Shardbearers are above that, and he’d cut his way out anyway. Either you execute a Shardbearer or you leave him free. - Words of Radiance, Chapter 76 In any case, I think it would actually be possible for Sadeas to imprison him while Dalinar could not, since Sadeas was Highprince of Information, which gave him power over internal investigations, and since it was pertaining to the king, he would have the authority. On the other hand, Dalinar was just Highprince of War, and wouldn't have had a significant case against Amaram.
StormyQueen she/her Posted October 10, 2016 Posted October 10, 2016 1 hour ago, the_archduke said: Why was Adolin so worried that Sadeas was going to order Dalinar's arrest in Book 1? In Book 2, doesn't Dalinar tell Kaladin (regarding Amaram's treachery) that you can't arrest a shardbearer? You either have to kill them or let them free. I doubt that it's an actual law that you can't arrest a shardbearer, but more of something that you don't do unless you really don't care if the accused escapes, so it's just treated as an unspoken rule. It may be that he was worried that Dalinar would go along with what came, not escaping and such because he was quite an honourable person who wouldn't escape. But yeah... strange...
Guest Posted October 10, 2016 Posted October 10, 2016 I think it may be because Shardbearers being found guilty aren't merely arrested: they are executed. It is one of the reasons I foresee Dalinar might demand/force Adolin to unbound his Blade early in book 3: to protect him.
cometaryorbit Posted October 10, 2016 Posted October 10, 2016 Yeah, I'd imagine it's because Adolin was afraid Dalinar would go along with it because of his honor, rather than because they could actually do it by force. (Dalinar could probably take over the kingdom if he really wanted to...)
Guest Posted October 10, 2016 Posted October 10, 2016 6 hours ago, cometaryorbit said: Yeah, I'd imagine it's because Adolin was afraid Dalinar would go along with it because of his honor, rather than because they could actually do it by force. (Dalinar could probably take over the kingdom if he really wanted to...) Dalinar is only one man and even if he were to go berserk, there still are 29 other Shardbearers, besides Adolin, whom would take him down. Dalinar would not have resisted: he is smart enough to know by resisting he would also doom his own son.
one winged jhereg he/him Posted October 10, 2016 Posted October 10, 2016 19 hours ago, maxal said: I think it may be because Shardbearers being found guilty aren't merely arrested: they are executed. It is one of the reasons I foresee Dalinar might demand/force Adolin to unbound his Blade early in book 3: to protect him. Yes, maxal, yes! and then Adolin's shardblade mysteriously won't bond with another person....they can't figure out why and so a side quest happens in which Adolin revives his shardblade. Side quest will get scant mention in main books, but Adolin gets a novella devoted to this. wild speculation on my part of course, and i am most certainly wrong, but would that not be storming awesome?
Guest Posted October 10, 2016 Posted October 10, 2016 1 hour ago, one winged jhereg said: Yes, maxal, yes! and then Adolin's shardblade mysteriously won't bond with another person....they can't figure out why and so a side quest happens in which Adolin revives his shardblade. Side quest will get scant mention in main books, but Adolin gets a novella devoted to this. wild speculation on my part of course, and i am most certainly wrong, but would that not be storming awesome? Well we certainly are entitled to dream now aren't we? This being said, I seriously think Brandon intends to write the Blade revival story arc, the question is how much page time will he allowed it? Will it be enough for it to truly pan out? I have several theories revolving around Adolin being forced to unbound his Blade: some involve the Blade refusing to bond another bearer and/or having Adolin ending up being able to summon it in desperate time despite it not being his anymore and/or him managing to reform a bond without the required 5 days... They all involve him having a lot of trouble doing it and if we saw Dalinar easily get rid of Oathbringer, despite it having been his companion for several decades, I expect Adolin's will be a much different matter. If I were the author, I'd use the scene to further stir the emotional conflict within Adolin. Well I thought of several avenues, but Brandon did say he wanted it to play out naturally.
Savanorn he/him Posted October 11, 2016 Posted October 11, 2016 10 hours ago, maxal said: Dalinar is only one man and even if he were to go berserk, there still are 29 other Shardbearers, besides Adolin, whom would take him down. Dalinar would not have resisted: he is smart enough to know by resisting he would also doom his own son. With all due respect Max, I'd think it unlikely that all the other shardbearers would gank him. Realistically I don't think Dalinar would resist, but if he did it'd probably echo the situation we found in WoR with Sadeas being openly hostile to Dalinar but without them going to war. Sadeas might have a better case for his discontent but he'd fight rallying military support difficult. Especially because at that time Dalinar is still the strongest highprince, a full shardbearer, and a war legend unsullied by his loss at the Tower. But it is also undercut by the fact that Elhokar knows Dalinar is innocent, so it wouldn't come to blows.
cometaryorbit Posted October 12, 2016 Posted October 12, 2016 On 10/10/2016 at 8:36 AM, maxal said: Dalinar is only one man and even if he were to go berserk, there still are 29 other Shardbearers, besides Adolin, whom would take him down. Dalinar would not have resisted: he is smart enough to know by resisting he would also doom his own son. Sure, if he went berserk. But if he was going to resist (which he wouldn't) he wouldn't do it that way. Dalinar's a Highprince. He has an army - an army that's loyal primarily to him, not to Alethkar. If Dalinar resisted Sadeas, it would be a civil war, not Dalinar running around killing people personally. Dalinar was pretty respected as 'the Blackthorn', and if he looked to be going warlord again other highprinces would take his side. And that's why Dalinar wouldn't do it. Thus, Adolin is worried because Dalinar would accept arrest rather than tear Alethkar apart.
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