Paalm's Spike

[Jondesu he/him]

Just had a brainwave I wanted to get out. I don't think Paalm was insane after all, nor that she was acting out because of what Harmony made her do.

I think her "Trellium" spike as we've called it was a Hemalurgic spike containing Identity, and she literally became someone else (possibly against her will). Someone imbued it with perhaps a completely manufactured identity and made her a Manchurian Candidate of sorts. I could see Breath being used to make that, in fact, since it carries a Cognitive intent with it.

Any problems, addendums, or rebuttals?

jW

[Yata he/him]

The only (and I presume big) problems with this idea is:

Paalm don't uses multiple Spikes at once and we know for sure what is in the Spikes she used. They come from multiple...."donators". I can't actually see how this foreign Identity may be stored in her Spikes.

[Jondesu he/him]

5 hours ago, Yata said:

The only (and I presume big) problems with this idea is:

Paalm don't uses multiple Spikes at once and we know for sure what is in the Spikes she used. They come from multiple...."donators". I can't actually see how this foreign Identity may be stored in her Spikes.

Ouch, yes, unless that was somehow a false conclusion, that does poke a pretty big hole (pun intended) in my theory. I wonder if a new Identity could have been somehow permanently stapled in with Hemalurgy or something similar?

I do find it odd that the spike she had when she died was the unknown metal, but I don't think they ever found additional spikes of that metal, which presumably all of hers would need to have been for Harmony not to be able to track her.  Do we know if the Hemalurgic creations she made used the same metal for the spikes?

jW

[Yata he/him]

8 minutes ago, Jondesu said:

Ouch, yes, unless that was somehow a false conclusion, that does poke a pretty big hole (pun intended) in my theory. I wonder if a new Identity could have been somehow permanently stapled in with Hemalurgy or something similar?

I do find it odd that the spike she had when she died was the unknown metal, but I don't think they ever found additional spikes of that metal, which presumably all of hers would need to have been for Harmony not to be able to track her.  Do we know if the Hemalurgic creations she made used the same metal for the spikes?

jW

Yes also the Hemaluric Chimeras used Trellium Spikes. All to remain hidden for Harmony

[Magestar he/him]

What I wonder is how Bleeder got so many Trellium Spikes, in that case.  Another possibility is that Trillium is sort of like greased Atium:  You can add bits of spirit web to it and the old bits will just slide off.  That would explain away the problems with this theory, Imo.  I like the idea that the spike has something to do with Identity.  I think that this idea is on the right track, if not entirely accurate.

Edited September 17, 2016 by Magestar

[Ari he/him]

On 17/09/2016 at 1:03 AM, Yata said:

Yes also the Hemaluric Chimeras used Trellium Spikes. All to remain hidden for Harmony

Did they? I thought it was only Paalm's spikes they were talking about being made of Trellium.

[Yata he/him]

6 hours ago, Ari said:

Did they? I thought it was only Paalm's spikes they were talking about being made of Trellium.

Harmony didn't even know of those things in the underground (or Tensoon would be informed). More I remember (but it may be someone sentence on the forum) that a character was surprised about how much the Chimeras was twisted using a single Trellium's Spike

[Ari he/him]

They talked about them being twisted by a single spike in the book. There was no explicit mention of the Chimaeras having Trellium spikes, it'll just be a question of whether there's an implication when they discuss Paalm's spikes. I'm gonna do a re-read for something else so I'll try to remember to come back to this topic after.

 

edit: On checking SoS, Marasi specifically says she has one of Bleeder's spikes, and it wasn't one of her original Kandra "blessings," which later in the scene Melaan then goes on to confirm is a God metal that Harmony doesn't know about. No mention of the Chimerical spikes at all in that scene.

Edited September 18, 2016 by Ari

[JUQ he/him]

On 9/17/2016 at 1:03 AM, Yata said:

Chimeras

Chimerae sounds cooler. It's not correct, but waaaay cooler.

 

God metal that Harmony doesn't know about

Hmmm, if it's a God metal, perhaps it could be an Odium one? I seem to remember a WoB about Odium (forget his real name) knowing about Harmony, being concerned, and making plans. Miles worshipped Trell, and he seemed to hate everything.