How is one born koloss blooded?

[Clattanoia]

Sorry if this is a very dumb question but I've only read up to alloy of law so if it's put in a further book I don't know. Anyway I've been seeing people referring to koloss blooded people and there's

[Magestar he/him]

I believe that Harmony changed the Anatomy of the Koloss so that they could... Reproduce.

[Yata he/him]

10 minutes ago, Clattanoia said:

Sorry if this is a very dumb question but I've only read up to alloy of law so if it's put in a further book I don't know. Anyway I've been seeing people referring to koloss blooded people and there's

After Harmony's ascension. He changed the Koloss's biology to turn them into a fully reproducible specie (before that moment the Koloss were sterile and the only way to made a new one is Hemalurgy).

Now when a Daddy-Koloss and a Mummy-Koloss love each other a lot.....they may reproduce and give birth to a Koloss blood child. This child may embrace his Koloss heritage reciving the Spikes and turning in a full Koloss thanks to the Hemalurgy...or leave the Koloss's comunity

Edited September 6, 2016 by Yata

[The One Who Connects he/him]

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After the Ascension

After Harmony's Ascension, however, the koloss were transformed into a tribal race that could breed, which lived in the Roughs. ^[13] As a true breeding race, Koloss turn their koloss-blooded children into full koloss by holding a coming-of-age ritual where they choose to accept the requisite spikes or not. Those who do not accept the spikes leave. Additionally, outsiders can choose to become koloss through this ritual.^[11]

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I had to look it up to be sure, so it likely wasn't a super obvious plot point.

Also ninja'd by Yata and Magestar.

[goody153]

I really found this transformation of Koloss by Harmony weird. Since there's so many Koloss at the end of the original trilogy (prolly more than people) and there's little Kandra but he never turned the Kandra into a breeding race even though they are definitely not dangerous and they actually help people.(but it's probably just Sazed taking pity on them for wanting to be human but not being one )

I'm curious how did Harmony determine which ones are gonna be male and female from the pack. And even though this was mentioned the 2nd mistborn series actually never introduced Koloss society upfront.

[The One Who Connects he/him]

2 minutes ago, goody153 said:

Since there's so many Koloss at the end of the original trilogy (prolly more than people) and there's little Kandra but he never turned the Kandra into a breeding race even though they are definitely not dangerous and they actually help people.

To answer some of these points, I am fairly sure that only the Koloss in the underground tunnels survived the Catacendre, so they had a small population too.
I personally thought Kandra could breed, but that it would create mistwraiths. Koloss die and reuse the spikes to make new ones, the Kandra don't "die" naturally, so hemalurgic sacrifices would be needed to transform more mistwraiths. Harmony is kinda against that sort of thing

[goody153]

3 minutes ago, The One Who Connects said:

To answer some of these points, I am fairly sure that only the Koloss in the underground tunnels survived the Catacendre, so they had a small population too.
I personally thought Kandra could breed, but that it would create mistwraiths. Koloss die and reuse the spikes to make new ones, the Kandra don't "die" naturally, so hemalurgic sacrifices would be needed to transform more mistwraiths. Harmony is kinda against that sort of thing

Ah that makes sense. Though i'm not sure if harmony would actually murder those Koloss outside the underground i mean Vin moved the planet in her ascension nobody actually died(apart from the tsunami's which she didn't think would happen). And there are probably people also outside of the underground while he moved around the world.

I suspect he could turn the Kandra into a breeding race and just reverse the mistwrath process that Rashek did. He probably had other reasons.

Harmony is probably only restricts Hemalurgy since the best practice of it is to kill somebody to attain a spike and people prolly didn't know that (i mean he knew about kandra getting allomancy through hemalurgy he never disclosed it) you could do it without killing people. Or it probably has more to do with the fact that it's gonna stimulate some greed for people since you basically obtain power through it.

[The One Who Connects he/him]

11 minutes ago, goody153 said:

Though i'm not sure if harmony would actually murder those Koloss outside the underground i mean Vin moved the planet in her ascension nobody actually died(apart from the tsunami's which she didn't think would happen). And there are probably people also outside of the underground while he moved around the world.

Sazed did rather a bit more than just a spin, but that's not the point. I think having just been freed from Ruin, and probably still being mildly in a blood frenzy dampened the natural "run/hide" survival instincts and left them more in the open as everything happened. Heck, they could've just blood frenzied each other to death for a bit before Harmony figured out how to take control of them (Sazed's new at this )

Edited September 6, 2016 by The One Who Connects

[goody153]

3 minutes ago, The One Who Connects said:

Sazed did rather a bit more than just a spin, but that's not the point. I think having just been freed from Ruin, and probably still being mildly in a blood frenzy dampened the natural "run/hide" survival instincts and left them more in the open as everything happened. Heck, they could've just blood frenzied each other to death for a bit before Harmony figured out how to take control of them (Sazed's new at this )

I like the former explanation about the "run/hide" survival instincts  but i don't think the blood frenzy would've stopped sazed from controlling them because of inexperience. I mean you literally instantly know how to do stuff when you become a shard after ascending(Via Vin, Rashek ) they just lack finesse. And he has double knowledge(through double ascension), i assume it should be pretty ez for him to control Koloss since they are so Ruin(should be connected to him wel enough) and from the finale even though he's having problems with intent now but he's doesn't have problems with the clashing powers of Ruin and Preservation at his ascension as "he could make them touch without destroying each other" something like that afaik.

[The One Who Connects he/him]

1 minute ago, goody153 said:

I like the former explanation about the "run/hide" survival instincts  but i don't think the blood frenzy would've stopped sazed from controlling them because of inexperience. I mean you literally instantly know how to do stuff when you become a shard after ascending(Via Vin, Rashek ) they just lack finesse. And he has double knowledge(through double ascension), i assume it should be pretty ez for him to control Koloss since they are so Ruin(should be connected to him wel enough) and from the finale even though he's having problems with intent now but he's doesn't have problems with the clashing powers of Ruin and Preservation at his ascension as "he could make them touch without destroying each other" something like that afaik.

Willing to chalk it up to "Save planet first, control horde of monsters later"? That seems a very Sazed thing to think

[goody153]

2 minutes ago, The One Who Connects said:

Willing to chalk it up to "Save planet first, control horde of monsters later"? That seems a very Sazed thing to think

Yeah prolly. Though Koloss might be scared shitless as well with Sazed changing the entire planet they may not be killing each other and actually work on trying to hide or something. I know i would if the planet randomly started moving, landscapes shifting and plant sprouting everywhere. Green plants at that not the standard brown they have (lol).

Edited September 6, 2016 by goody153