Turkatron he/him Posted December 22, 2013 Posted December 22, 2013 I had a thought about Hoid's activities. We have WoB that Hoid has lerasium and we all suspect he stole that scepter in TES which may or may not be as important to the magic system of Sel as lerasium is to Scadrial's. He seems to be gathering magically significant items from each world he visits, Why? This has been bugging me for a while and today as i came on the forums it hit me like a brick in the face. HOID IS CREATING THE 17TH SHARD!!!!!!! Not the organization of world hoppers this site is named for but a literal 17th shard using pieces of the magic of all 16 other shards in order to turn himself into a mini Adonalsium. I know there is little to no evidence to support my theory but it feels right to me and I would love to hear what everyone thinks of it.
Chlehrma Posted December 22, 2013 Posted December 22, 2013 Shards are incredibly powerful. I do not think that amassing endowments from each shard will somehow result in his having as much power as a shard. We also know from the letter that he is working actively against Odium as best he can and that an "old reptile"--possibly a dragon from Yolen--has connection to a group that calls themselves the 17th shard and that they are hunting Hoid. It is just as likely that Hoid was Adonalsium as it is that he is actively creating a 17th shard.
Swimmingly he/him Posted December 22, 2013 Posted December 22, 2013 Shards are incredibly powerful. I do not think that amassing endowments from each shard will somehow result in his having as much power as a shard. We also know from the letter that he is working actively against Odium as best he can and that an "old reptile"--possibly a dragon from Yolen--has connection to a group that calls themselves the 17th shard and that they are hunting Hoid. It is just as likely that Hoid was Adonalsium as it is that he is actively creating a 17th shard. Hoid doesn't seem like the "ultimate control of everything through brute force" kind of guy. Perhaps, however, he's more the "amass the capacity to use any and all magical tools to achieve my aims where and whenever I go anywhere, exploiting the strengths and weaknesses of local systems to best effect, without revealing my multi-planetary capacities" type. 1
loganmathewjohnson Posted December 26, 2013 Posted December 26, 2013 (edited) Hoid doesn't seem like the "ultimate control of everything through brute force" kind of guy. Perhaps, however, he's more the "amass the capacity to use any and all magical tools to achieve my aims where and whenever I go anywhere, exploiting the strengths and weaknesses of local systems to best effect, without revealing my multi-planetary capacities" type. I completely agree. The blessed little we have seen of Hoid would suggest that he likes to work behind the scenes, rather than influencing events directly. ie: He is only just barely mentioned in the original Mistborn trilogy, but we still know that he was doing very important stuff there, without necessarily making a big effect on Scadrial. My best guess is that he likes to have a little bit of power everywhere he goes, and is slowly getting stronger. It IS possible that Hoid himself is Adonalsium, and that his power was the one fractured into the sixteen shards. However, by that logic, he could also have a way of using the investiture in these items to create another shard. Both above theories could be true, but to me, they seem unlikely. The reality is, we have so little information about Hoid's motives that he really could be planning anything. Also, don't quote me on this, but I believe Lerasium isn't exclusive to the magic of Scadrial. I think we have some WoB that says you can burn Lerasium to alter your Spirit-Web, and someone burning it with knowledge of what they were doing could become a surgebinder, or maybe an Elantrian... Can somebody verify that for me? Edited December 26, 2013 by loganmathewjohnson
Arook he/him Posted December 26, 2013 Posted December 26, 2013 What if he is building a device to harness all the powers and maybe trap or destroy Odium's shard. Also I don't think hoid could be Adonalsium, of course I don't know if the holder of a shard can survive its destruction. As for rebuilding adonalsium I also disagree more likely it would be for making a tool to create a champion against Odium. I have always felt that maybe Hoid didn't want all that power if I remember right he was there when Adonalsium was broken and the 16 took up its shards. Making it for someone else would make more sense and fit how we see Hoid work
loganmathewjohnson Posted December 26, 2013 Posted December 26, 2013 Good point. Was Hoid there during the shattering of Adonalsium?? Is there anyone out there with WoB on this?
Matrim he/him Posted December 27, 2013 Posted December 27, 2013 Also I don't think hoid could be Adonalsium, of course I don't know if the holder of a shard can survive its destruction. I don't have the quote but I think WoB hints at the holder being able to survive the shattering of a shard.
Chlehrma Posted December 27, 2013 Posted December 27, 2013 Good point. Was Hoid there during the shattering of Adonalsium?? Is there anyone out there with WoB on this? http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/3400-official-compilation-of-faqs/?p=54717 3rd question down. Yes, Hoid was at the shattering.
loganmathewjohnson Posted December 27, 2013 Posted December 27, 2013 So, if Hoid was there, it's possible that he either is Adonalsium, or he played a role in it's shattering and is trying to undo what he did. Just ideas. 1
Chlehrma Posted December 27, 2013 Posted December 27, 2013 So, if Hoid was there, it's possible that he either is Adonalsium, or he played a role in it's shattering and is trying to undo what he did. Just ideas. Basically, there are a few options regarding his presence at the shattering: 1. He was Adonalsium and took part in his own shattering 2. He was not Adonalsium and took part in the shattering 3. He was Adonalsium and tried to prevent the shattering 4. He was not Adonalsium and tried to prevent the shattering 5. He was not Adonalsium and was an innocent bystander who had just stepped down to the corner store for a pack of smokes when Ati and Leras spotted him and asked him to come visit their sick friend, Adonal. Basically, he either is Adonalsium or is not and he either took part in the shattering or tried to prevent it. Either way we will not know anything for certain until Brandon has written the books that take place on Yolen--though the Gibletish remarks have me a bit curious. 1
Swimmingly he/him Posted December 28, 2013 Posted December 28, 2013 Lerasium can grant any power, atium can steal any power...I wonder if there will be harmonium, capable of storing any power.
loganmathewjohnson Posted December 30, 2013 Posted December 30, 2013 Lerasium can grant any power, atium can steal any power...I wonder if there will be harmonium, capable of storing any power. Perhaps if one were to alloy the two?
Genesis he/him Posted April 7, 2014 Posted April 7, 2014 (edited) If it's possible would it not be called something along the lines of sazium? Preservation And Ruins 'metals' were named after the shardholders, not the intents, just my thoughts Edited April 7, 2014 by genesisv1
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