Cultivations magic

[ZotarDragonSlayer he/him]

So I have it from a WoB that we have seen Cultivations power already in WoK and WoR.  I believe that Cultivation causes  normal spren (not special kinds of spren like honor or hatred because those are based off of their respective Shard). Spren like anger spren, joy spren and prison spren. 

 

 

 

QUESTION

Have we seen Cultivation's magic?

BRANDON SANDERSON

Yes.

 

Just an  idea but what are your thoughts???

[Kipper he/him]

See Kurkistan's signing report, which includes a question on spren you may find interesting. Spren (in my reading) are basically Cognitive Ideals.

[taveren he/him]

yes i agree and have thought that for awhile. i would guess spren based off of ideas or emotion would be honor / odem, and spren like wind spren and life spren would be cultivation

[Yata he/him]

It may be only the "old magic"

[Moogle]

Surgebinding is Cultivation + Honor's magic.

[KnightGradient]

If surgebinding is Cultivation and Honors magic, then would Voidbinding be Odium and Honor? Would the Old Magic be Cultivation and Odium?  And if so, is there some magic that is Odium+Honor+Cultivation? That would be ultra rad.

[Moogle]

If surgebinding is Cultivation and Honors magic, then would Voidbinding be Odium and Honor? Would the Old Magic be Cultivation and Odium?  And if so, is there some magic that is Odium+Honor+Cultivation? That would be ultra rad.

 

Here's the WoB on Surgebinding.

 

The Old Magic seems to just be the Nightwatcher doing spren things, much like the Stormfather does spren things and controls the storms. I don't think it's a codified magic system as such.

 

But on the other combinations, I did a few bits of speculation on what the combinations of Shards might be on Roshar's magic systems here.

[ZotarDragonSlayer he/him]

Here's the WoB on Surgebinding.

 

The Old Magic seems to just be the Nightwatcher doing spren things, much like the Stormfather does spren things and controls the storms. I don't think it's a codified magic system as such.

 

But on the other combinations, I did a few bits of speculation on what the combinations of Shards might be on Roshar's magic systems here.

 

So when you say "spren things" do you mean the whole "I give you a boon and a curse" deal? And if so. Does that go with what the Old Magic is?

 

By the way, thanks for replying

[Moogle]

So when you say "spren things" do you mean the whole "I give you a boon and a curse" deal? And if so. Does that go with what the Old Magic is?

 

I mean that spren, as Splinters, sort of seem capable of doing almost anything. They don't really count as a magic system like Surgebinding, or Allomancy. They just sort of have an Intent, and can do things relating to it.

 

The Stormfather, as he is related to storms, seems to have enough power that he can control storms. Syl is similar, in that she has enough power to bind things together, whereas a simple flame spren cannot.

 

That said, a flamespren can be given power via fabrial and generate heat, so...

 

When I look at the Nightwatcher and see people saying she's the "Old Magic", I just think that's the Nightwatcher's power as a spren: she gives boons and curses.The Old Magic doesn't seem to quite be a "real" system, so it's not going to be one of the Honor+Cultivation+Odium combinations we're looking for.

 

I want to stress that this is not confirmed fact or anything. This is just the way things seem to me now; we don't have all the evidence needed to be certain.

[Topaz]

I have a more broad interpretation of cultivation's magic, as ruin's Magic leads to well ruin (atium is a good example), (there are other examples) we can assume that the magic at least somehow lines up with the shard's intent. So, I would assume that cultivation's magic would have something to do with... well, cultivation. I think the way this would manifest is making other shards stronger. So, the spren would be only one manifestation of this, I think that is why the way the two shards opperated was so similar "heralds, unmade, voidbringers, radiants)

[echaozh he/him]

If surgebinding is Cultivation and Honors magic, then would Voidbinding be Odium and Honor? Would the Old Magic be Cultivation and Odium?  And if so, is there some magic that is Odium+Honor+Cultivation? That would be ultra rad.

 

I like the idea that Voidbinding is Odium + Honor. The binding part obviously has something to do with Honor, as Honor and honorsprens are all about binding. If O+H+C works at all, the magic system will sure have a "binding" in its name.

[Rakei]

So a few ideas.

 

One the definition of cultivation, we have a scene during an interlude of Eshonai where she mentions crops being grown with stormlight, this might be unique to parshmen, and I wouldn't be able to speculate on if it's a magic as such.

 

Then there is the parshmen forms, they change forms through symbiosis with certain types of spren, that's a kind of cultivation as well. 

 

The bond between men and spren, could also be called a symbiosis, at least pattern refers to it as such, a deal where the spren gets something and in return gives power in return.

 

There has been a lot of emphasis on symbiosis between spren and the animals of Roshar e.g. chasmfiends, skyeels, greatshells

 

if one looks at it like that...

Surgebinding = C+H

voidbinding = C+O

(a system which incorporates fabrials) = O+H? / C+O+H (less inclined to think cultivation has any part of a system that captures spren in gemstones, to do the bidding of the user through the consumption of stormlight, is this a Rosharan end-negative investiture?)