teknopathetic he/him Posted June 19, 2015 Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) I asked Brandon this question and got an interesting response"Just one question for you if you have the time. Mr.T has his emotional intelligence inversely attached to his logical intelligence. in the physical realm, this means that on his emotional days, he is functionally a blithering idiot. The physical realm is more logic oriented, so that makes sense. However, would this inverted intelligence express itself DIFFERENTLY perhaps in the cognitive or spiritual realm? In the world of forms, emotion, and identity, could weepy/drooly Mr.T express some unique insight inside of Shadesmaar?"His Response:This is a theory with merit. ______ Now I am wondering what would happen if you got a blithering T. into Shadesmaar. Is there a design he might be able to craft there as well? Would he understand the flow of the Spren and their realm to the same spooky degree? On his super non-smart but emotional days, what would he be able to create in the cognitive or spiritual realms? Edited June 19, 2015 by teknopathetic 2
Guest Posted June 19, 2015 Posted June 19, 2015 This would likely mean that if he were to be shoved into Shadesmar on his "idiot" days he'd have a 50/50 chance of being a genius vs still an imbecile (half the time he's cognitive-realm smart, the other half spiritual-realm smart)
teknopathetic he/him Posted June 19, 2015 Author Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) Could the Diagram be a Cognitive realm leap, not a physical one? Think about forgery.When Shai is trying to create a forgery seal Shai had to know what the object believed to be possible or likely. in order to create a new seal, Shai had to have some idea of what the object itself believed cognatively. Every object has an idea of what it is and what it can or cannot do. Shai created forgeries by researching the history of the item. But what if there was a faster way of doing this? What if you could be so cognitively intelligent that you KNEW the history of an object and what that object believed to be likely to occur in the future? What if T. was reading what the planet believed to be the most likely future based on the planet's cognitive idea of itself? If you could read what the planet believed to be most probable, you could predict a lot of things. Somewhere the knowledge of what Roshar believes itself to be is out there. WOB has confirmed that planets do have a cognitive identity. Is it more likely that T. was a cognitive genius on that day, not a logical one? I don't understand how T. could have made the diagram with logical intelligence. T. has proven himself to be an idiot when it comes to other people when he is experiencing a smart day. He couldn't even guess how the people closest to him would react to the idea of intolectual genocide. How can he predict people on a global scale when his ability to understand others becomes so weak? Edited June 19, 2015 by teknopathetic 1
Moogle Posted June 19, 2015 Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) I don't understand how T. could have made the diagram with logical intelligence. T. has proven himself to be an idiot when it comes to other people when he is experiencing a smart day. He couldn't even guess how the people closest to him would react to the idea of intolectual genocide. How can he predict people on a global scale when his ability to understand others becomes so weak? The common theory for this is that empathy is required to understand people at lower levels of intelligence, but at some point Taravangian can get so smart that he can directly model people in his superintelligent brain. When he's merely kinda-smart, he loses his empathy and thinks people will be eager to follow his law telling them to commit suicide because he's not yet smart enough to do that. The Diagram makes many very-correct predictions (in particular figuring out the outcome of a civil war and telling Taravangian he has to become loved by the people) which suggest he did understand people when writing the Diagram. When he becomes stupid, he actually starts drooling apparently and becomes incapable of speech. This seems to counter the idea of him writing the Diagram on a particularly stupid day. Maybe when he's really really really stupid he breaks a similar barrier as when he becomes supersmart, but even then the Diagram is really lacking in anything approaching compassion. It even has words to the effect that any individual life can and should be sacrificed to save humanity: Q: For what essential must we strive? A: The essential of preservation, to shelter a seed of humanity through the coming storm. Q: What cost must we bear? A: The cost is irrelevant. Mankind must survive. Our burden is that of the species, and all other considerations are but dust by comparison. —Paragraph 1[8] Edited June 19, 2015 by Moogle 1
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