ARARITA he/him Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 I was thinking about a post I recently made about the Ones above from Sixth of Dusk there is a line on page 100 that says there is more than one group coming from the stars i speculated about them being our old familiar groups in the future (17th shard or Ghostbloods or...) But -- something i think we missed that may be important in the Cosmere Why oh why do they need a ship if we know some people can worldhop who can't ??? or why do they use ships ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spencer12347 he/him Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 It could just be regular people who don't have the ability to world hop and if someone did have the ability to world hop it most likely be a well kept secret. Say the ones above are Scadrian, which they probably are, they have an actual economy and would spend millions of dollars to build a ship that can travel faster than light. If you had the ability to world hop it would give you a distinct advantage over others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turos he/him Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 And a need to focus your travels on locations where future investments can pay off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spencer12347 he/him Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 And a need to focus your travels on locations where future investments can pay off. Yeah the Ones Above were only at The First of The Sun for their resources and most World Hoppers wouldn't even care about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARARITA he/him Posted May 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 It seems like they are going to at least 1 shardworld - implying they are not totally in the dark about the Cosmere maybe they are trying to sort more things out and don't know everything yet for some reason i think of Nazh and Khriss and Threnody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 Investiture and Worldhopping don't necessarily go hand-in-hand. Sel is difficult/dangerous to travel to/from via Shadesmar, and particularily on Scadrial the magic lends itself to a direct-travel model since none of the known magics have the users accessing Shadesmar consciously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARARITA he/him Posted May 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 @ Spencer -- not sure just for the resources - unless by resources you mean Cosmere related resources then maybe either way I think it is for research - for understanding the Cosmere and of course I may be and probably am completely and utterly wrong - we are talking about Sanderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 (edited) @ Spencer -- not sure just for the resources - unless by resources you mean Cosmere related resources then maybe either way I think it is for research - for understanding the Cosmere and of course I may be and probably am completely and utterly wrong - we are talking about Sanderson IMO, the plan to get access to the worms/birds/investiture at a faster than "legal" rate makes me think it's more than just research. To me it smacks of either military advantage or profit motive. Edited May 16, 2015 by LabRat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARARITA he/him Posted May 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 @ LabRat - then why not just grab the ***** or ***** and go ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 Because if they grab it illegally, then they're on board a ship full of people not in on the plan and have to smuggle it out of the system... on board a ship with devices that are able to pinpoint the illegal cargo from pretty significant distances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARARITA he/him Posted May 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 that would imply the ship is just out and about like the Enterprise and there are a # of people on board with a hidden agenda ? I'm thinking they are there more along the lines of research into what's behind the magic / Cosmere - choosing an identified / known to be invested planet not sure if there are 500 / 50 / 5 people on board I am not denying it could be for military advantage - profit I doubt personally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 Not necessarily "out and about", but a mixed crew for sure. If it was a cohesive crew, they wouldn't need to bother with the plan and would have simply landed on the island. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spencer12347 he/him Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 I agree with LabRat for the Ones Above wanted them to advance so they can have more opportunities. Why would they want the civilizations of the first of the sun to advance for research? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARARITA he/him Posted May 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 first we are to think they are benevolent then that they may be less than benevolent i get the feel that it is more like a Captain Kirk thing he has the prime directive to not interfere - never follows it maybe someone is just trying to get them up to speed in the Cosmere what opportunities ? why involve the natives at all ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turos he/him Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 Maybe they are just jealous because their world has no birds. xP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kipper he/him Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 I was thinking about a post I recently made about the Ones above from Sixth of Dusk there is a line on page 100 that says there is more than one group coming from the stars i speculated about them being our old familiar groups in the future (17th shard or Ghostbloods or...) But -- something i think we missed that may be important in the Cosmere Why oh why do they need a ship if we know some people can worldhop who can't ??? or why do they use ships ??? The major camp, I think, is that it's the Scadrians, who, having figured out FTL travel, are doing some exploring around. Khriss and Nazh are unrealistic options IMO, because they can theoretically just Worldhop. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROSHtaFARian2.0 Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 The major camp, I think, is that it's the Scadrians, who, having figured out FTL travel, are doing some exploring around. Khriss and Nazh are unrealistic options IMO, because they can theoretically just Worldhop. Its worth pointing out though that all instances of Worldhopping or Worldhoppers we've seen so far are limited to very small groups. It could be that even with the knowledge to Worldhop as an individual or in a group of three, Worldhopping isn't practical for transporting large groups or resources, thus still requiring Worldhopping-capable cultures to develop ships for trade, military purposes, and large scale exploration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 Its worth pointing out though that all instances of Worldhopping or Worldhoppers we've seen so far are limited to very small groups. It could be that even with the knowledge to Worldhop as an individual or in a group of three, Worldhopping isn't practical for transporting large groups or resources, thus still requiring Worldhopping-capable cultures to develop ships for trade, military purposes, and large scale exploration. Can you imagine training thousands (millions?) of people to travel Shadesmar? What a disaster that would be. And the Spren would freak right out! As for who the Ones Above are, I'm in favor of the Elantrians. Or, at the least, that the planet they're orbiting is in the Elantrian system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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