Metalborn

[Clarkmon22 He/Him]

So, there was a thread like 2 years back about the amount of metals and God Metal alloys. the number came out to be (I think) some ridiculous number. does that mean that every scadrain (with lerasium blood) is a metalborn of some sort? bc there is so many different possibilities?

[Through The Living Grub He/Him]

6 minutes ago, Clarkmon22 said:

So, there was a thread like 2 years back about the amount of metals and God Metal alloys. the number came out to be (I think) some ridiculous number. does that mean that every scadrain (with lerasium blood) is a metalborn of some sort? bc there is so many different possibilities?

I don't fully understand what you're saying. Are you asking if there is a misting for every unique alloy of all metals and all alloys for God Metals? Because I don't think so. Leras (Preservation) changed the Allomantic table to allow for Atium and Malamantium Mistings for his plan. A-Atium was diluted Atium (pure Atium could be used my anyone), and pure God Metals can be used by anyone. There are 16 types of mistings and 16 types of ferrings, and that is what the system allows for. I guess Preservation could add some, but right now there are a limited number.

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little wilson (paraphrased)

I saw Brandon at a book signing back in mid-December, and I asked him about the 16 percent deal. He said that Preservation replaced the real External Temporal Metals with atium and malatium (at least I'm assuming malatium, but he didn't mention that specifically. He only said atium). So not-cerrobend and cadmium weren't counted in the 16%. nicrosil and chromium, on the other hand, were. So there are chromium andnicrosil Mistings running around, not knowing that they're Mistings.

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Xais56

Brandon has said that everyone ought to be able to burn atium, like they can all burn lerasium, and the fact that they can't was an oversight on his part that he would've done different in hindsight.

Maybe now he's had an in-universe reason to re-write the laws of Allomancy it's back to his intended concept; Mistborn burn all 16 base metals, Mistings burn one base metal, non-Allomancers can only burn godmetal.

Peter Ahlstrom

My explanation for this is that Preservation somehow caused all naturally occurring atium to form as an alloy of atium and electrum. The atium Mistings were actually electrum Mistings.

Xais56

It's a very tidy solution, but it creates the maddening question of what does pure atium do?

Peter Ahlstrom

That answer has already been revealed canonically. RAFO.

 

[Clarkmon22 He/Him]

Just now, Through The Living Grub said:

I don't fully understand what you're saying. Are you asking if there is a misting for every unique alloy of all metals and all alloys for God Metals? Because I don't think so. Leras (Preservation) changed the Allomantic table to allow for Atium and Malamantium Mistings for his plan. A-Atium was diluted Atium (pure Atium could be used my anyone), and pure God Metals can be used by anyone. There are 16 types of mistings and 16 types of ferrings, and that is what the system allows for. I guess Preservation could add some, but right now there are a limited number.

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little wilson (paraphrased)

I saw Brandon at a book signing back in mid-December, and I asked him about the 16 percent deal. He said that Preservation replaced the real External Temporal Metals with atium and malatium (at least I'm assuming malatium, but he didn't mention that specifically. He only said atium). So not-cerrobend and cadmium weren't counted in the 16%. nicrosil and chromium, on the other hand, were. So there are chromium andnicrosil Mistings running around, not knowing that they're Mistings.

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Xais56

Brandon has said that everyone ought to be able to burn atium, like they can all burn lerasium, and the fact that they can't was an oversight on his part that he would've done different in hindsight.

Maybe now he's had an in-universe reason to re-write the laws of Allomancy it's back to his intended concept; Mistborn burn all 16 base metals, Mistings burn one base metal, non-Allomancers can only burn godmetal.

Peter Ahlstrom

My explanation for this is that Preservation somehow caused all naturally occurring atium to form as an alloy of atium and electrum. The atium Mistings were actually electrum Mistings.

Xais56

It's a very tidy solution, but it creates the maddening question of what does pure atium do?

Peter Ahlstrom

That answer has already been revealed canonically. RAFO.

 

yeah basically. thx!

[Treamayne]

1 hour ago, Through The Living Grub said:

pure God Metals can be used by anyone.

Anyone (asterisk)
Brandon has not yet clarified if "anyone" means:

• Any Allomancer
• Any Scadrian (because they all have Preservation in them)
• Any sapient being in the Cosmere

What we do know is that to burn a Godmetal other than Lerasium, you require a connection to that Shard (Vin could not burn Raysium - she has no Connection to Odium). Lerasium is a specific exception because it's side effect is to make a person an Allomancer by establishing a Connection to Preservation. A Mistborn burning Lerasium would get a different effect. WoB:

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Brandon Sanderson

Chapter Thirty-Eight

Preservation's Power

All right, so maybe I lied about there only being three magic systems in this book. It comes down to how you term the powers of Preservation and Ruin, who kind of blanket the entire system. There are a lot of things going on here, and—well, the truth is I don't want to mention all of them, for fear of spoiling future books. However, I'll give you a few rules to apply.

First, to these forces, energy and mass are the same thing. So, their power can take physical shape—as Preservation's did in the bead of metal Elend ate. Second, there is a bit of Preservation inside of all the people—and it's this that allows the people to perform Allomancy. It needs to be awakened and stirred to be of use, but when it is, a proper metal can draw forth more of Preservation's power. It's like the metal attunes the bit within the person, allowing it to act as a catalyst to grab more power.

Allomancy is not fueled by metal; it is fueled by Preservation. The metal is the means by which a person can access that fuel, however. If there were another way to access it, then the metal wouldn't be needed.

Preservation's touch on people differs. Some have more, some have less. This doesn't make them better or worse people—indeed, some most touched by Preservation have been among the worst people in the world. As Ruin later points out, there is a difference between being evil and being destructive.

Regardless, if a person can get more Preservation into them, they become better Allomancers. Hence Elend becoming a Mistborn. Like all people, he had the potential within him—it was just too small of a potential to be awakened through normal means. That little jolt of Preservation's body, however, expanded and awakened his Allomancy.

As a tidbit, that was a side effect of what that bead of metal did. It wasn't the main purpose of the bead, and if another Allomancer were to burn it, it would do something else.

The Hero of Ages Annotations (Nov. 12, 2009)

 

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Questioner

Can an Allomancer burn any god metal? Or is it specifically Preservation and Ruin?

Brandon Sanderson

That is actually a RAFO. There's some funkyness going on there.

Oathbringer London signing (Nov. 28, 2017)

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word_thief

What would happen if a Mistborn ingested the metal of a Shardblade/Plate?

Brandon Sanderson

A Shardblade is Invested. A Mistborn isn't likely to have a tie to that type of Investiture. So probably nothing would happen…

General Twitter 2013 (Oct. 24, 2013)

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Questioner

If you were to be on Scadrial as a Mistborn and burn a god metal (such as, say, Honor), what would come of that? Would it be specific to the system that it's from? Or is it kind of like a blanket *inaudible*?

Brandon Sanderson

RAFO.

FanX 2022 (Sept. 24, 2022)

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Questioner

What would happen if a person from Scadrial were to try to burn a manifested metal from Roshar?

Brandon Sanderson

So you're meaning they're in Shadesmar, they manifest it, and they try to burn it, right?

Questioner

Say a Spren of a Radiant manifests as a bead of metal instead of a Shardblade?

Brandon Sanderson

You're not going to be able to burn that if it's something that's coming from a spren, because that's not going to be treated as a metal in your body. Like, those are God Metals, and that one is actually alive and awake and it's just not gonna work. There are ways, though, that you could make that work. So it's totally possible, but you're gonna need something that's not an alive spren that's manifest like that. You're gonna need some way to get access to some tanavastium or something like that that's not, like, some living being.

Dragonsteel 2023 (Nov. 21, 2023)

 

 

1 hour ago, Clarkmon22 said:

So, there was a thread like 2 years back about the amount of metals and God Metal alloys. the number came out to be (I think) some ridiculous number. does that mean that every scadrain (with lerasium blood) is a metalborn of some sort? bc there is so many different possibilities?

The Ultimate Metal Count is probably the thread you are referencing. The answer is likely "no" because access to most metals are not natural - just something certain allomancers/people may be able to burn if they could find a way to do so. Also, any of the combinations based upon a Godmetal other than Lerasium or Atium alloys could not be present in native Scadrians who lack Connection to those Shards. That said, your idea has some merit (ish) based on Brandon's expanded explanation for the Sign of 16 and the Mistsickness in HoA - WoB:

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Brandon Sanderson

The Sliding Scale of Allomantic Potential

Noblemen, despite what Spook says in this chapter, are not immune to the mistsickness. The rumor Spook is referencing does have merit, however. You see, since the mists are Snapping people and awakening the Allomantic potential within them, it will affect far fewer noblemen than skaa. Why? Because a lot of the noblemen have already Snapped. They were beaten as children to bring out the powers.

However, that won't stop all of them from being affected by the mistsickness, because the mistsickness is also awakening Allomantic potential that would otherwise be too subtle to be brought out. Pretend there's a sliding scale of Allomantic potential. 100% means you're an Allomancer—in this series, only two people have hit 100%—Vin and Elend. Buried within a lot of people, however, is enough of a touch of Preservation's power to hit, say, 50% on the relative scale of Allomantic power. These people, when beaten and made to pass through something traumatic, awaken to their Allomantic abilities.

There are a lot of people out there, however, with something more like 20% to 30%. These are the people the mists are Snapping—since the mists are, themselves, partially the power of Preservation, they can touch people and increase their Allomantic potential slightly and then bring it to the forefront.

The Hero of Ages Annotations (Dec. 29, 2009)

Hope that helps

Edited May 5 by Treamayne
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