DoctaDajman Posted March 2 Posted March 2 So I am looking for ways to get multiple surges that are not connected. To be specific, tension and soulcasting. I saw Moon Knight and love the way his wraps and costume appear around him. I assume soulcasting is the best way to achieve that as you could simply soulcast the fabric literally from thin air. Then tension... because if you have a bunch of wraps and fabric why not control it like a total boss with my personal favorite surge. So please. Help me brainstorm the ways to get those 2 surges specifically. Please avoid the obvious of bonding multiple spren.
Trusk'our he/him Posted March 2 Posted March 2 (edited) 35 minutes ago, DoctaDajman said: So I am looking for ways to get multiple surges that are not connected. To be specific, tension and soulcasting. I saw Moon Knight and love the way his wraps and costume appear around him. I assume soulcasting is the best way to achieve that as you could simply soulcast the fabric literally from thin air. Then tension... because if you have a bunch of wraps and fabric why not control it like a total boss with my personal favorite surge. So please. Help me brainstorm the ways to get those 2 surges specifically. Please avoid the obvious of bonding multiple spren. Well, Hemalurgy is probably your best friend here. Just spike two individual powers from two separate Spren (and the bond from their Radiants). If that doesn't float your boat, convince two Spren of the right types to transform into Surgebinding Fabrials. Then use both to get the desired effects. Or, you could potentially create an Unsealed Metalmind granting those Surges, though you'd probably need to go on a few adventures and pull some favors from both Radiants and Feruchemists. If that fails, ask the Nightwatcher to give you those Surges, and if you don't like the curse you can theoretically spike it out later while keeping the boon(s). Might take some real experimentation first though, so be ready to live with that curse for a while. Spoiler https://wob.coppermind.net/events/355-idaho-falls-signing/#e10445 Questioner Using Hemalurgy, could you steal the boon from the Old Magic? Brandon Sanderson Oh, from the Nightwatcher? This is theoretically possible. Questioner Would that take the [curse] with it as well? Brandon Sanderson *Hesitantly* Yes. Though it's also theoretically possible to split them apart, that would be a lot harder. Getting the boon, if you knew what you were doing, would not be that difficult. Now, what Cultivation would do to you when she found out that had happened is another thing entirely. Because those are willful grants of Investiture. Questioner Similar to Endowment's with the Returned? Brandon Sanderson Yeah, things like that. When you get a Shard involved and the Shard has...power to... Same thing like...it's on a much grander scale what's happening with the spren bond, right? Questioner When Hemalurgy does spread, most Shards will not be happy about this, right? Brandon Sanderson Yes, that is correct. You might be able to become a Squire of two separate Radiants as well, which might also work. Depends on their willingness and how compatible Squires are with being mixed. Sounds like it's not what you're looking for, but it might be worth a shot. Edited March 2 by Trusk'our
Qianweilian He/him Posted March 2 Posted March 2 10 hours ago, Trusk'our said: Just spike two individual powers from two separate Spren (and the bond from their Radiants). Wouldn’t you spike the powers from the Radiants and the bond from the Spren? Because afaik the spren can’t use the surges, only their Radiants can.
Clarkmon22 He/Him Posted March 2 Posted March 2 18 minutes ago, Qianweilian said: Wouldn’t you spike the powers from the Radiants and the bond from the Spren? Because afaik the spren can’t use the surges, only their Radiants can. soulcasters are an example of the spren weilding their own surges
Trusk'our he/him Posted March 2 Posted March 2 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Qianweilian said: Wouldn’t you spike the powers from the Radiants and the bond from the Spren? Because afaik the spren can’t use the surges, only their Radiants can. No, the Spren is where the power truly resides, the Radiant merely taps into that power via the Nahel bond. If you just spike the Radiant in an attempt to get the power the bond that's attached will let the Spren break it immediately, which should be just like with an Aviar bond that you steal since they use a mini-Nahel bond. Spoiler https://wob.coppermind.net/events/385-orem-signing/#e12562 Questioner Can Hemalurgy be used to steal other...like, the Stormlight... Brandon Sanderson It could. It's very complicated, particularly with surgebinding, because the bond with the spren is a voluntary thing. So, you could steal the power, but you would also be stealing the sprenbond which the spren then has autonomy over. So, it might not turn out really well for you. It might not turn out well for anyone involved. Much easier to steal things where there isn't an autonomous being involved in your gaining of the magical powers. Spoiler https://wob.coppermind.net/events/135-gencon-2017/#e3347 Questioner (paraphrased) If I wanted to Hemalurgically acquire a power from First of the Sun, which metal would the spike need to be? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) This is going to be pretty complicated, but several metals would work. Questioner (paraphrased) Would it involve Connection between the person being spiked and the bird? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Well it would be even harder than on Roshar, where you need to somehow spike the spren and also the Radiant. You would need to spike the bird and steal the power, but also spike the person and steal Connection. Spoiler https://wob.coppermind.net/events/367-skyward-release-party/#e11628 Ethour Would an Aviar be capable of a spren bond? Brandon Sanderson What they do is the same thing, by cosmere terms. It is not as powerful; because of that it is easier to shift between people. What you gain is not as strong, but you also gain flexibility. But it would be, cosmerologically, considered the same thing. I would also argue that Spren can use their Surges, albeit in a limited manner, since Syl has used Adhesion to prank people before. I think the reason they're so limited is the same as why Kelsier couldn't use Allomancy in the CR- no real ties to the PR make it much harder to weild Investiture. Edited March 2 by Trusk'our
Atlas333 Posted March 2 Posted March 2 What about having a soulcaster (the item) grant you access to transformation (you would need one attuned to the essence of cloth... which is pulp probably?). Then for tension, it's likely easier to just get some breaths so you can use awakening. 1
DoctaDajman Posted March 2 Author Posted March 2 1 hour ago, Atlas333 said: What about having a soulcaster (the item) grant you access to transformation (you would need one attuned to the essence of cloth... which is pulp probably?). Then for tension, it's likely easier to just get some breaths so you can use awakening. I am curious if the soulcasters ability to soulcast is storable for a nicrosil metalmind.
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