Indigo Weasel Posted January 10 Posted January 10 So, I called out Octo for this last night, and while it seems Octo is an actual coinshot, I’d like to ask Rhino why he roleclaimed, as we are in a similar position to what we had with Octopus, and I’d like to hear you explanation for why you roleclaimed Mistbor.
Plum Rhinoceros Posted January 10 Posted January 10 5 minutes ago, Mint Heron said: My problem with it being Axl is basically we need to explain complete Elim dgaf. Sometimes there is no explanation, Heron. Sometimes, elim teams can be dysfunctional (you referenced AG8, what are the chances that the elim team confused their elim kill and e!Coinshot targets and end up shooting the same target?). The simplest answer I can provide to you is that, perhaps Croc was supposed to be at EoD. All their problems disappear if we just assume Croc was supposed to be there for EoD and use the Riot. As long as 1 villager was in and around the lead and the voting was quite close, everything could be saved with a single Riot. If they set-up D1 in a way that it hinged on Croc returning, and Croc simply couldn't return, what could they do?
Mint Heron Posted January 10 Posted January 10 Just now, Plum Rhinoceros said: Sometimes there is no explanation, Heron. Sometimes, elim teams can be dysfunctional (you referenced AG8, what are the chances that the elim team confused their elim kill and e!Coinshot targets and end up shooting the same target?). The simplest answer I can provide to you is that, perhaps Croc was supposed to be at EoD. All their problems disappear if we just assume Croc was supposed to be there for EoD and use the Riot. As long as 1 villager was in and around the lead and the voting was quite close, everything could be saved with a single Riot. If they set-up D1 in a way that it hinged on Croc returning, and Croc simply couldn't return, what could they do? Gotta be honest bruv, I think if your immediate answer to a challenge to your theory is "sometimes there is no explanation", you're basically saying "it just is what it is, Iguana just so happened to make a decision that was contrary to his team's interests but we're not going to explain it because I like my theory better."
Plum Rhinoceros Posted January 10 Posted January 10 1 minute ago, Indigo Weasel said: So, I called out Octo for this last night, and while it seems Octo is an actual coinshot, I’d like to ask Rhino why he roleclaimed, as we are in a similar position to what we had with Octopus, and I’d like to hear you explanation for why you roleclaimed Mistbor. I saw suggestions that I should be shot last night. Since I had rolled Thug for C2, I thought it it would helpful if a couple of my top trust villagers knew that I was going to survive if I was shot. I made a PM with Bea and DF and said so. It was not me who claimed to the thread, DF is the one who outed me.
Mint Heron Posted January 10 Posted January 10 (edited) Like ok literally dude: how often does an AG8 situation happen? You wanna invoke that, ok. How many games does AG8ing make you wrong in? Once we start saying "sometimes there just is no explanation", legit, where does it end? Edited to add: How does it lead to a useful approach for us, gameplay-wise? Edited January 10 by Mint Heron
Indigo Weasel Posted January 10 Posted January 10 5 minutes ago, Plum Rhinoceros said: I saw suggestions that I should be shot last night. Since I had rolled Thug for C2, I thought it it would helpful if a couple of my top trust villagers knew that I was going to survive if I was shot. I made a PM with Bea and DF and said so. It was not me who claimed to the thread, DF is the one who outed me. Okay, so I should be asking Dragonfly instead, got it, Rhino. @Ivory Dragonfly what was your reasoning?
Plum Rhinoceros Posted January 10 Posted January 10 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Mint Heron said: Once we start saying "sometimes there just is no explanation", legit, where does it end? I said that but I still tried my best to give you one? Croc: Okay Ig, just hide on a side-train, we do not 2 e!trains nor we do want too many to be on DF because DF is going to flip. My vote on Axo won't count because I'm going to Riot and it's going it cancel. Croc couldn't come back on and/or Riot for some reason. Edited January 10 by Plum Rhinoceros
Violet Axolotl Posted January 10 Posted January 10 3 hours ago, A Jo in the Bush said: Day 3: A long for the Lost but not Forgotten <Callsign: Mauve Crocodile> A song echoed through the empty halls. A mournful rhythm that brought silence with it. Most who heard the song quieted, remembered fallen comrades, and went the other way. Those who had duties to perform, officially or not, knew to avoid the distractions. A threnody for the dead was not something to listened to while trying to perform dangerous tasks. The newborne shade of Adonalsium-will-be-Reborn-eventually floated through the halls in search of the strings playing it. He recognized the song, some vague still-human memories remembering it from his time at home. It felt nice. It made it hard to remember what he was supposed to be doing. But he knew it involved Zense. Zense the musician. So he followed the strings. He found Zense at one of the few starscapes in the SS TYRIAN. The man was standing, looking out into the chromatic infinite space beyond the ship, and strumming the 9 strings of a baliset. Adonalsium-will-be-Reborn-eventually stood and listened, unwilling to interrupt. He listened. It was hard to do anything but listen to a song performed this well. After several minutes of the song had passed, Zense slowly turned around, placing his back to the stars. There was a single tear beading in one eye, and a smile on his face as he made direct eye contact with Adonalsium-will-be-Reborn-Eventually. He continued to play, note after note, chord after chord filling the large room. A song of peace for the dead. Adonalsium-will-be-Reborn-Eventually stayed still and listened. He knew there was a task to perform, but this was a song of mourning for what had been lost to the Cosmere. This was a hymn to the Lost God. This was a threnody of Threnody, and he would not profane it through interruption. It was long hours before Zense finished the piece. One of the ancient masterworks that had predated the splintering of Ambition. It was not the oldest music in the Cosmere, there were Yolish and Rosharan songs that preceded it, but it was older than most. When Zense began to carefully pack away his instrument, Adonalsium-will-be-Reborn-Eventually gave him a small bow, then turned and walked out of the room. He could not kill this man tonight. Tin Capone would have to send another, some other day. ◇◀▶◇◀▶◇◀▶◇◀▶◇ <Callsign: Azure Mouse> The Saboteurs were being captured faster than he had ever imagined. His part, however small, in Sage Kangaroo's execution had granted him some protection from the mob. He didn't walk the ship looking for Saboteurs. They seemed to be doing an admirable job, so he was left to focus on his mission. They claimed Fuchsia was a Saboteur, but Jochen knew she would never betray the ship, so he remained loyal. He would get those Medallions back. He had already lost one to the kandra, so he knew he'd have to be more secretive when he retrieved this next one. Jochen snuck down the halls. Every time he heard footsteps, he ducked away. Avoiding the mob was even easier. They could be heard halfway across the ship. When he heard the sound of coins clinking, Jochen knew he was on the right track. He stalked after the likely coinshot, hallway after hallway, until they found their target. A shout, coins flying into a wall, barely slowed by flesh. Jochen hid in a storage locker until the coinshot had left. He slipped out, using his new admin powers to erase any record of his presence. He walked over to the corpse, flinching at the mess. He rifled through Klin’s pockets, trying not to puke. Finally, he found the Medallion. He hid it down his boot, then ran away. Trusted or not, he didn't want to be caught with a body. ◇◀▶◇◀▶◇◀▶◇◀▶◇ <Callsign: Coral Swan> The Mysterious Being who had stolen Coral Swan’s mask was burning their last scrap of Tin inside the Comms Center when they heard footsteps approaching. Someone was coming. Hurriedly, they uploaded one last message to be broadcast to the ship, then wiped the evidence of their infiltration and headed out the door. The fate of the TYRIAN is Doom. There is no escape. In all my calculations, this singular product has remained static. By all foreseeable outcomes, our fate is sealed. No matter how many monsters we kill, our engines will still fail. No matter how many we rally, the Koloss will still reach us. And when they do, they will kill us. So why do we fight? Why do we try? It is a question I have asked myself, again and again, on this voyage. I feel as though the answer hangs, trembling, just out of reach of my hands, ever elusive. I cannot see it. But there is one thing this voyage has taught me. One thing this crew has taught me. To be human is to try. To look inevitability in the face, and defy. We do not need concrete truth to act. Muscles are not moved by contemplation. They are moved by will. And is there anything so inherently, so purely human? This is my message: try. Kill every monster. Rally every man and woman and person on this ship. And when inevitability comes to damn us... defy. It is all we can do. It is all we must do. I... have never felt so human. ◇◀▶◇◀▶◇◀▶◇◀▶◇ <Callsign: Turquoise Gorilla> The Security Chief stepped into the Comms Center, once staffed by Coral Swan, and now staffed by none. She was going to miss that man. Swan had been a good friend. And now someone had gone and stolen his mask and was using it to send strange messages. She strolled around the room for a little bit, examining the various terminals, looking for any sign of just who had been in here, but saw nothing obvious. It required Allomantic Tin to work, and to her knowledge, there was no one left on the ship who had it save for a very few trustworthy Fullborn like herself. Probably, it was one of Joachin’s stolen medallions. She stoked her own tin inside herself, activating the computers, then typed in the necessary codes to shut down the Comms. They were in an emergency, and needed everything to be viewed publicly. ◇◀▶◇◀▶◇◀▶◇◀▶◇ Sapphire Elephant was killed! They were a Loyalist Mistborn! Mint Heron was attacked by a Saboteur! They survived! There are no Living Tineyes. PM's are closed this cycle. This turn will end on Monday the 12th of January, normal space time. PLAYER LIST: Reveal hidden contents Violet Axolotl: Fletcher (Past Lives) Taupe Gecko: H.E.A.R.T.H. (Past Lives) Sunburst Toucan: Ophelia Desci (Forgetful) Scarlet Octopus: Chiji Kaido (Silverist) Sapphire Elephant: Loyalist Mistborn Salmon Meerkat: Dugh Thomas (Arrogant) Sage Kangaroo: Saboteur kandra meal Saffron Iguana: Saboteur Kandra Quartz Zebra: Finch (Tinkerer) Plum Rhinoceros: Art (Stowaway) Pearl Chameleon: Neugier (Past Lives) Oxblood Beagle: Levin (Past Lives) Opal Lion: Dusk (Sleepy Old Man) Onyx Flamingo: Frisk (Past Lives) Mint Heron: Zense (Ship's Musician) Melon Dingo: Stormseeker the Wise (Returned) Mauve Crocodile: Saboteur Rioter Magenta Albatross: Rane Cauthon (Gambler) Ivory Dragonfly: Echo (Echo) Indigo Weasel: Third of the Tide (Liar) Hmm interesting Idk if it matters, but it says A saboteur. Not saboteurS, while it did when beagle was attacked. Does this matter? Does this mean there is only one elim left?
Plum Rhinoceros Posted January 10 Posted January 10 (edited) Ehh, I'm not gonna fight this exe too much. I do not have Seeker for this cycle. We possibly have another Mistborn. And we are in a decent-ish good lead with a good chunk of the player list cleared to some extent. I'm okay with reading Gecko, Octo, Bea, Flami, Heron, Dingo, Tross, DF and Weasel strong to moderate village. We're just left with [Axo, Toucan, Meerkat, Zebra] + the inactives. Among these, Meerkat looks and reads like a lost/confused villager more than anything. I'll look into the others a bit later. Edited January 10 by Plum Rhinoceros
Taupe Gecko Posted January 10 Posted January 10 2 hours ago, Mint Heron said: I'm voting Rhino for their votes man Idk I would be willing to vote Toucan too for how opportunistic they've been. Tbh I am not sure Ele shot Axl given how behind Ele was and how vascillatory they tended to be, which is why I ask because my concern is: E!Seeker, E!Rioter, E!Kandra 4 x V!MB, 2 x V!Lurcher, 1 x V!CS? This is absolutely not correct and unacceptable with what we have of the Elim side of the distro. Something is very wrong here. IDK I would role-exe but the Village roster is, comparatively, bonkers stacked on roles. Yeah shout out to @A Jo in the Bush / @The Unknown Medallion whoever wrote it, loved it, sorry got distracted by the problem at hand. tfw Ocho is not actually wrong Reveal hidden contents Theory for your distro musings: What if elims DO have a Coinshot, thing is they’re the only one left - and so they spent their action on the NK instead 4 elims makes sense for a 20 player group, no?
Onyx Flamingo Posted January 10 Posted January 10 2 hours ago, Mint Heron said: I'm voting Rhino for their votes man Idk I would be willing to vote Toucan too for how opportunistic they've been. Tbh I am not sure Ele shot Axl given how behind Ele was and how vascillatory they tended to be, which is why I ask because my concern is: E!Seeker, E!Rioter, E!Kandra 4 x V!MB, 2 x V!Lurcher, 1 x V!CS? This is absolutely not correct and unacceptable with what we have of the Elim side of the distro. Something is very wrong here. IDK I would role-exe but the Village roster is, comparatively, bonkers stacked on roles. Yeah shout out to @A Jo in the Bush / @The Unknown Medallion whoever wrote it, loved it, sorry got distracted by the problem at hand. tfw Ocho is not actually wrong Reveal hidden contents You forget the V!Kandra/Seeker and because of how this is looking, I think I'm gonna vote Rhino... but this time I'll try and dig through why people are sus of them to make a more concrete claim. Reads: Spoiler V!read Flamingo - coolest person ever, wow so cool, so village V!read Dragonfly - I like how they continue to commit to their RP role, while still trying to be cooperative V!read Axolotl - After D1, I started liking how they were playing more and more. V!read Toucan - I know there is a lot of suspicion on them, but I am sure that they are v V!lean Octopus - trust their coinshot claims... mostly. E!read Rhino - Again, mostly Dragonfly (strong V!read on dragonfly, trust their reasoning a lot) but not going to make a concrete vote yet Light V!lean on Gecko, Beagle, Weasel, Heron, Dingo, and Zebra. No big reasons, mostly just vibe, and good reasoning. Nothing Much on Meerkat, Chameleon, Lion, and Albatross Ugh, if only we had PMs.
Violet Axolotl Posted January 10 Posted January 10 Time for some rp! At this point, Fletcher is fully aware. He has realized his past, his many pasts. Many of the saboteurs had been killed at this point. They were almost out of this predicament. And when it ended? He would go on some new adventure, and continue the cycle.
Ivory Dragonfly Posted January 10 Posted January 10 1 hour ago, Indigo Weasel said: Okay, so I should be asking Dragonfly instead, got it, Rhino. @Ivory Dragonfly what was your reasoning? Our souls are at the edge of desolation, I sigh. Remember that Johnson and the Rosharan had to die. We gamble, abandon God himself to darkness. And Klin was exploded, starving out weakness. This bloody journey is now to avenge our brother. To catch the death shaper, we follow one or the other. Why talk about Art, what he burn, I see you say. We have a rusting clue and need to make our own way.
Taupe Gecko Posted January 10 Posted January 10 5 minutes ago, Ivory Dragonfly said: Our souls are at the edge of desolation, I sigh. Remember that Johnson and the Rosharan had to die. We gamble, abandon God himself to darkness. And Klin was exploded, starving out weakness. This bloody journey is now to avenge our brother. To catch the death shaper, we follow one or the other. Why talk about Art, what he burn, I see you say. We have a rusting clue and need to make our own way. Wait wait wait was all of that quotes?
Onyx Flamingo Posted January 10 Posted January 10 (edited) Because I don't know what to do, and the day just started, and I want to be helpful, I will but together a VC Current VC: Rhino (5): Heron, Octopus, Dragonfly, Albatross, Toucan, Weasel Toucan (2): Gecko, Zebra Zebra (1): Beagle Axolotl (0): Albatross I put this together because I wanted to see the current makeup of votes. (And If I made one, why not show others?) Edited January 10 by Onyx Flamingo
Scarlet Octopus Posted January 10 Posted January 10 This game is getting confusing... I think that the two safest exes are Toucan and Rhino, followed by Axl, Zebra, and Beagle. But right now, im inclined to not murder a potential Mistborn, so im going to switch vote from Rhino to Toucan Chiji was walking down the hallways again, he'd thought he'd made the right choice but hadn't, and had killed an innocent for it. "Ironeyes bless you." He prayed, knowing that dwelling on his mistakes would do nothing to help. He would meet with some people, get some new perspectives, and make the right choice to win this.
Onyx Flamingo Posted January 10 Posted January 10 (edited) Alright, Yeah, Rhino I really don't like the idea of exeing Toucan. Edited January 10 by Onyx Flamingo ' in don't
Taupe Gecko Posted January 10 Posted January 10 47 minutes ago, Onyx Flamingo said: Alright, Yeah, Rhino I really don't like the idea of exeing Toucan. Uhh why? 59 minutes ago, Scarlet Octopus said: I think that the two safest exes are Toucan and Rhino, followed by Axl, Zebra, and Beagle. Axl and Beagle are both village leaning for me based off votes What are your thoughts on Flamingo?
Indigo Weasel Posted January 10 Posted January 10 1 hour ago, Ivory Dragonfly said: Our souls are at the edge of desolation, I sigh. Remember that Johnson and the Rosharan had to die. We gamble, abandon God himself to darkness. And Klin was exploded, starving out weakness. This bloody journey is now to avenge our brother. To catch the death shaper, we follow one or the other. Why talk about Art, what he burn, I see you say. We have a rusting clue and need to make our own way. Okay…. So, I think you’re saying that you’re suspicious of a few people, you’re not sure which of the them though, so you’re guessing and you chose to focus Rhino because whether or not he’s an Elims will tell you something. Am I right?
Violet Axolotl Posted January 10 Posted January 10 1 hour ago, Onyx Flamingo said: Because I don't know what to do, and the day just started, and I want to be helpful, I will but together a VC Current VC: Rhino (5): Heron, Octopus, Dragonfly, Albatross, Toucan, Weasel Toucan (2): Gecko, Zebra Zebra (1): Beagle Axolotl (0): Albatross I put this together because I wanted to see the current makeup of votes. (And If I made one, why not show others?) I don't like all of the votes piling up on Rhino so quickly DF seems v! from analysis octo v! lean to me Idk about flamingo. Not really any reads on them. For Rhino, this feels weird 3 hours ago, Plum Rhinoceros said: Sometimes there is no explanation, Heron. Sometimes, elim teams can be dysfunctional (you referenced AG8, what are the chances that the elim team confused their elim kill and e!Coinshot targets and end up shooting the same target?). The simplest answer I can provide to you is that, perhaps Croc was supposed to be at EoD. All their problems disappear if we just assume Croc was supposed to be there for EoD and use the Riot. As long as 1 villager was in and around the lead and the voting was quite close, everything could be saved with a single Riot. If they set-up D1 in a way that it hinged on Croc returning, and Croc simply couldn't return, what could they do? I agree w/ heron, "there is no explanation" feels like an excuse. But I still do find it weird that everyone's immediately piling up on Rhino Gecko feels v! to me, from pms and general analysis. Idrk abt anyone else
Onyx Flamingo Posted January 10 Posted January 10 50 minutes ago, Taupe Gecko said: Uhh why? Axl and Beagle are both village leaning for me based off votes What are your thoughts on Flamingo? Because from what I reread D2 and N2 (specifically looking at Toucan's posts) and their behavior lines up with what I know about them. 26 minutes ago, Violet Axolotl said: I don't like all of the votes piling up on Rhino so quickly DF seems v! from analysis octo v! lean to me Idk about flamingo. Not really any reads on them. For Rhino, this feels weird I agree w/ heron, "there is no explanation" feels like an excuse. But I still do find it weird that everyone's immediately piling up on Rhino Gecko feels v! to me, from pms and general analysis. Idrk abt anyone else I'm voting Rhino because I v!read Toucan.
Taupe Gecko Posted January 10 Posted January 10 13 minutes ago, Onyx Flamingo said: I'm voting Rhino because I v!read Toucan. Why do you v!read Toucan? 41 minutes ago, Violet Axolotl said: DF seems v! from analysis I agree that DF is v!, but from Kanga exe, not analysis A game I played a while back with Kas taught me to never clear anyone for analysis, and I stand by that
Onyx Flamingo Posted January 10 Posted January 10 25 minutes ago, Taupe Gecko said: Why do you v!read Toucan? I agree that DF is v!, but from Kanga exe, not analysis A game I played a while back with Kas taught me to never clear anyone for analysis, and I stand by that 40 minutes ago, Onyx Flamingo said: Because from what I reread D2 and N2 (specifically looking at Toucan's posts) and their behavior lines up with what I know about them. This ^^^ You looked at the bottom half of my post, and ignored the top.
Taupe Gecko Posted January 10 Posted January 10 22 minutes ago, Onyx Flamingo said: This ^^^ You looked at the bottom half of my post, and ignored the top. I’ll admit to skimming So you know who Toucan is, and you believe that consistency is a good enough reason to not vote
Onyx Flamingo Posted January 10 Posted January 10 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Taupe Gecko said: I’ll admit to skimming So you know who Toucan is, and you believe that consistency is a good enough reason to not vote Why wouldn't I know who Toucan is if I v!read them? edit: wait you mean i know the person behind the anon acount? Edited January 10 by Onyx Flamingo
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