Melon Dingo Posted January 6 Posted January 6 5 minutes ago, Mint Heron said: @Taupe Gecko - hard to quote longposts on mobile sorry, post linked here. Gimmick is echoing people's words, they seem to be claiming Iron i.e. Mistborn or Lurcher. Look at the last four lines. My proclamation (statement) Echo (name, gimmick) Metal Iron This looks like a direct roleclaim to me. Axl's behaviour here is confusing me as a result. (If I've managed to confuse myself about what Iron does this is going to be so embarrassing...) @Oxblood Beagle - Depends on your assessment of train sizes. I don't object to a Kanga train at current credences, need to reread (back in 15), mostly don't want a weird scenario where the actual CW is DF unless we all consciously agree this is the route we want to take given the claim and suspicion states atm. Really groggy rn so hopefully this makes sense (idk why im awake rn) Wait I'm confused about where the lurcher claim Is coming from. I read the post and it said "Echo Metal" Not iron.
Mint Heron Posted January 6 Posted January 6 Ninjaed by Dingo so c/p time. Edit: @Taupe Gecko Apologies speed read a bit. Basically yes - if I'm a regular, my instinct is to ask for third train or to eat the exe. Unless I am very sure DF is Evil claiming to stay alive longer, normally a Lurcher is not the most pressing D1 problem. If I'm a very valuable PR, keeping quiet and self-pressing in the hopes I stay alive... is *a* strategy, there's some risk, but at these train sizes and the votestate, staying alive by claiming is usually preferable since it forces the Elims to kill you and minimally creates reactions in thread that people can go back to read. (This is my other hesitation - I think more often than not Elims can struggle to hardpush a Village PR knowing they're screwed once the PR flips. Of course playstyle confounds this but for want of a better word, sincere dogmatic village fog-of-war can be hard to imitate confidently as an Elim - that's helpful too. So do I read Axl's soft push here as V or E? I am thinking aloud in part. It sticks out in my brain, I just DK if I feel confident of my thoughts and am looking for SAN checks.)
Jo and the Bush all/any Posted January 6 Posted January 6 Current vote count Violet Axolotl (6): Oxblood Beagle, Onyx Flamingo, Mint Heron, Melon Dingo, Mauve Crocodile, Ivory Dragonfly Scarlet Octopus (1): Saffron Iguana Sapphire Elephant (1): Sunburst Toucan Salmon Meerkat (2): Sapphire Elephant, Magenta Albatross Sage Kangaroo (2): Salmon Meerkat, Indigo Weasel Mauve Crocodile (1): Quartz Zebra Ivory Dragonfly (3): Violet Axolotl, Scarlet Octopus, Sage Kangaroo Indigo Weasel (1): Taupe Gecko
Mint Heron Posted January 6 Posted January 6 3 minutes ago, Melon Dingo said: Really groggy rn so hopefully this makes sense (idk why im awake rn) Wait I'm confused about where the lurcher claim Is coming from. I read the post and it said "Echo Metal" Not iron. They quoted Weasel's post with just the word Iron as the last line. I'd say go to the OG post rather than read a quote because quotes of quotes dp not show up. Edit: Hope this works. This is what I see. This is my proclamation Echo Metal 11 hours ago, Indigo Weasel said: Iron Not formatted but they chose to include it.
Melon Dingo Posted January 6 Posted January 6 2 minutes ago, Mint Heron said: They quoted Weasel's post with just the word Iron as the last line. I'd say go to the OG post rather than read a quote because quotes of quotes dp not show up. Edit: Hope this works. This is what I see. This is my proclamation Echo Metal 11 hours ago, Indigo Weasel said: Iron Not formatted but they chose to include it. Ok wow idk how i missed that i feel dumb now. Anyways yeah pretty clear claim.
Taupe Gecko Posted January 6 Posted January 6 18 minutes ago, Mint Heron said: @Taupe Gecko - hard to quote longposts on mobile sorry, post linked here. Gimmick is echoing people's words, they seem to be claiming Iron i.e. Mistborn or Lurcher. Look at the last four lines. My proclamation (statement) Echo (name, gimmick) Metal Iron This looks like a direct roleclaim to me. Axl's behaviour here is confusing me as a result. (If I've managed to confuse myself about what Iron does this is going to be so embarrassing...) @Oxblood Beagle - Depends on your assessment of train sizes. I don't object to a Kanga train at current credences, need to reread (back in 15), mostly don't want a weird scenario where the actual CW is DF unless we all consciously agree this is the route we want to take given the claim and suspicion states atm. OOOOOOOH Oh oh oh Okay I get it I do want to say though that regarding your attacks on Axl (or anyone else voting DF) it's highly possible that, like me, they missed that claim In fact, @Ivory Dragonfly some confirmation would be nice 8 minutes ago, Mint Heron said: Ninjaed by Dingo so c/p time. Edit: @Taupe Gecko Apologies speed read a bit. Basically yes - if I'm a regular, my instinct is to ask for third train or to eat the exe. Unless I am very sure DF is Evil claiming to stay alive longer, normally a Lurcher is not the most pressing D1 problem. If I'm a very valuable PR, keeping quiet and self-pressing in the hopes I stay alive... is *a* strategy, there's some risk, but at these train sizes and the votestate, staying alive by claiming is usually preferable since it forces the Elims to kill you and minimally creates reactions in thread that people can go back to read. (This is my other hesitation - I think more often than not Elims can struggle to hardpush a Village PR knowing they're screwed once the PR flips. Of course playstyle confounds this but for want of a better word, sincere dogmatic village fog-of-war can be hard to imitate confidently as an Elim - that's helpful too. So do I read Axl's soft push here as V or E? I am thinking aloud in part. It sticks out in my brain, I just DK if I feel confident of my thoughts and am looking for SAN checks.) "Eat the exe"? Also, since I'm giving you a v!read for now for picking up on that claim and pushing about it, would you be up to getting some new train rolling? I'd prefer a tie between two sus candidates than just a single one And with this VC: 9 minutes ago, A Jo in the Bush said: Current vote count Violet Axolotl (6): Oxblood Beagle, Onyx Flamingo, Mint Heron, Melon Dingo, Mauve Crocodile, Ivory Dragonfly Scarlet Octopus (1): Saffron Iguana Sapphire Elephant (1): Sunburst Toucan Salmon Meerkat (2): Sapphire Elephant, Magenta Albatross Sage Kangaroo (2): Salmon Meerkat, Indigo Weasel Mauve Crocodile (1): Quartz Zebra Ivory Dragonfly (3): Violet Axolotl, Scarlet Octopus, Sage Kangaroo Indigo Weasel (1): Taupe Gecko I'm willing to back an alternate train on anyone except for you for now. In fact, considering how close things are, I might like to chase Weasel to the finish line. @Violet Axolotl@Scarlet Octopus@Sage Kangaroo you're all voting DF right now. In light of Lurcher claims, would y'all be willing to back a train on Indigo Weasel? We're pushing it a bit tight, but that's the wonder of SE, isn't it If all three of you switch to Weasel (and so does @Mint Heron) we can get a two way tie I'm welcome to any partners here Let's shake things up
Oxblood Beagle Posted January 6 Posted January 6 19 minutes ago, Mint Heron said: @Taupe Gecko - hard to quote longposts on mobile sorry, post linked here. Gimmick is echoing people's words, they seem to be claiming Iron i.e. Mistborn or Lurcher. Look at the last four lines. My proclamation (statement) Echo (name, gimmick) Metal Iron This looks like a direct roleclaim to me. Axl's behaviour here is confusing me as a result. (If I've managed to confuse myself about what Iron does this is going to be so embarrassing...) @Oxblood Beagle - Depends on your assessment of train sizes. I don't object to a Kanga train at current credences, need to reread (back in 15), mostly don't want a weird scenario where the actual CW is DF unless we all consciously agree this is the route we want to take given the claim and suspicion states atm. Levin thought about the matter. As it stands, the Dragonfly was safe from being the target of one of those dastardly Rioters, especially if that was the identity of one of the saboteurs, but a change from himself and the Heron would return that risk. So, he thought that it would be better to let things stay as they stand and have that as a discussion to ponder on at a later time.
Taupe Gecko Posted January 6 Posted January 6 H.E.A.R.T.H raced down the passages of the TYRIAN, frantic. The crew had made their choice. The day would end in death. It was H.E.A.R.T.H's intent to make that death as chaotic as possible. There were monsters among them. But it was unlikely for a monster to die tonight. That was merely the way things went. Tonight, a good person would die. So it was not the identity of the victim that mattered - but the circumstances around their murder. A tie increased the likelihood of a monster on the edge - and such a likelihood would force the monsters to make a move. To reveal themselves, in one form or another. H.E.A.R.T.H did not fear emotional manipulation. It welcomed it. Encouraged it. Because emotional manipulation revealed truths, truths that could be used in the pursuit of clarity. So this was its gambit. This was its leap. 4 minutes ago, Oxblood Beagle said: Levin thought about the matter. As it stands, the Dragonfly was safe from being the target of one of those dastardly Rioters, especially if that was the identity of one of the saboteurs, but a change from himself and the Heron would return that risk. So, he thought that it would be better to let things stay as they stand and have that as a discussion to ponder on at a later time. Why ponder later? The Dragonfly need not be in danger for a tie to occur. H.E.A.R.T.H addresses the Beagle, and asks for their help. Propose a tie candidate, and H.E.A.R.T.H would follow. But it was not willing to watch a smooth death and do nothing.
Melon Dingo Posted January 6 Posted January 6 Im pretty happy with the Axolotl exe especially with the hard push it seems Heron and Gecko are doing to lift it. We'll see where we are after the flip Im going back to bed Ninjad 1 minute ago, Taupe Gecko said: H.E.A.R.T.H raced down the passages of the TYRIAN, frantic. The crew had made their choice. The day would end in death. It was H.E.A.R.T.H's intent to make that death as chaotic as possible. There were monsters among them. But it was unlikely for a monster to die tonight. That was merely the way things went. Tonight, a good person would die. So it was not the identity of the victim that mattered - but the circumstances around their murder. A tie increased the likelihood of a monster on the edge - and such a likelihood would force the monsters to make a move. To reveal themselves, in one form or another. H.E.A.R.T.H did not fear emotional manipulation. It welcomed it. Encouraged it. Because emotional manipulation revealed truths, truths that could be used in the pursuit of clarity. So this was its gambit. This was its leap. Why ponder later? The Dragonfly need not be in danger for a tie to occur. H.E.A.R.T.H addresses the Beagle, and asks for their help. If we are scared of a tie when the vote is 6 to 3, we are saying we think there might be a rioter not on either train AND a soother attempt to save Axolotl or a hammer with some vote manip. If that happened it'd be super obvious and most like would tell us a lot.
Oxblood Beagle Posted January 6 Posted January 6 2 minutes ago, Taupe Gecko said: Why ponder later? The Dragonfly need not be in danger for a tie to occur. H.E.A.R.T.H addresses the Beagle, and asks for their help. Propose a tie candidate, and H.E.A.R.T.H would follow. But it was not willing to watch a smooth death and do nothing. "The Sage Kangaroo would be my proposal," he answered. "Would there be enough supporters for this to stand as an alternate option?"
Onyx Flamingo Posted January 6 Posted January 6 I can understand Axl not knowing the Iron claim, because I also did not understand it, but it has been stated more clearly now (by others) and should be taken into more serious consideration from now on. 8 hours ago, Violet Axolotl said: I will honestly say that I don't have firm reasoning there. I am mainly just voting who I think is slight e!lean, but my reason skills are not good. I haven't had time to fully read everything, so I'm mainly going off vibes. And I will not lie, there are many voting dragonfly, and voting him above the others is an act of self-preservation, as it decreases the chances I get voted out. I realize that saying that may give me a huge e!lean, but I don't want to be voted out. I'm willing to hear defense from @Ivory Dragonfly. I have to go to sleep now. Let's see if I make it through rollover. This is a good defense, and it does remove some e!lean, but the fact you did not put any of this in your post is concerning. It gives you a lesser e!lean, but not enough to remove my vote on you. 2 hours ago, Oxblood Beagle said: Levin paced across the deck of the ship. There had been a lot of discussion and the time was drawing near for one of the passengers under suspicion to be thrown overboard the SS TYRIAN. He considered what the Axolotl had said. He felt iffy about it and so he asked, "Why did you not mention that it was an act of self-preservation to accuse Dragonfly in the first place? It felt oddly convenient that you accused him at a time when the eyes of the others were on you." "Are these truly beneficial?" he inquired. Levin recalled a story. A tale of a proxy war between Ruin and Preservation. The Spiked, who had infiltrated the quaint village had used the townsfolk's indecision to their advantage and ensured that the innocent would be placed on the gallows rather than one of their own. "Reasonable," he commented. "I would say the same could be said as well with the Meerkat, who has not rejoined us after pointing a finger toward the Kangaroo. That is something I am also taking note of." This is the post that helped me out with my reasoning (pointing out the lateness of his reasoning)
Jo and the Bush all/any Posted January 6 Posted January 6 Y'all, there's like 11 minutes left in Day 1.
Mint Heron Posted January 6 Posted January 6 9 minutes ago, Taupe Gecko said: Eat the exe"? Simply put; if I know I'm a regular, and it's a possibly V!Lurcher on the other end, better I get exed than they do. Don't roleclear but a Lurcher never needs to be resolved D1 of all Turns unless they're obviously Evil and the post claim reads like E stalling. Obviously I prefer a third train on someone I find sus but the second best option for the Village is for me to get exed and buy the village the time to get their crem together/make a good Lurch. I acknowledge some players value survival more but that's how I see it. Tie proposal, no objection if ok with train and sizes are ok, am not sure I sus Weasel - can I v quickly ask for your Weasel case.
Taupe Gecko Posted January 6 Posted January 6 1 minute ago, Melon Dingo said: If we are scared of a tie when the vote is 6 to 3, we are saying we think there might be a rioter not on either train AND a soother attempt to save Axolotl or a hammer with some vote manip. If that happened it'd be super obvious and most like would tell us a lot. That's precisely my point I want to put the elims in a situation where they are forced to use vote manip If we have one exe candidate, there are two possibilities: Option 1 (very high chance): We exe a villager. No info Option 2 (very very low chance): We exe an elim. Decent info If we have more than one: Option 1 (high chance): Both villa. We exe a villager. Option 2 (low chance): One is an elim. Elims forced to make a move. High info. Next cycle, we actually have something to analyze Option 2 gets better and better the more tie candidates we have 2 minutes ago, Oxblood Beagle said: "The Sage Kangaroo would be my proposal," he answered. "Would there be enough supporters for this to stand as an alternate option?" I will back it I have no idea what the suspicion on Kangaroo is, but I'll take practically anyone 2 minutes ago, Onyx Flamingo said: I can understand Axl not knowing the Iron claim, because I also did not understand it, but it has been stated more clearly now (by others) and should be taken into more serious consideration from now on. Agreed on the it should be taken into consideration from now on. But if we can agree that Axl may have missed it, then why are we still holding that against it? I'm not saying I v!read Axl. But I e!read Axl at the same level as anyone else right now, except perhaps Heron.
Mint Heron Posted January 6 Posted January 6 Just now, A Jo in the Bush said: Y'all, there's like 11 minutes left in Day 1. Ah s*t here we go again
Taupe Gecko Posted January 6 Posted January 6 Just now, Mint Heron said: Simply put; if I know I'm a regular, and it's a possibly V!Lurcher on the other end, better I get exed than they do. Don't roleclear but a Lurcher never needs to be resolved D1 of all Turns unless they're obviously Evil and the post claim reads like E stalling. Obviously I prefer a third train on someone I find sus but the second best option for the Village is for me to get exed and buy the village the time to get their crem together/make a good Lurch. I acknowledge some players value survival more but that's how I see it. Tie proposal, no objection if ok with train and sizes are ok, am not sure I sus Weasel - can I v quickly ask for your Weasel case. Ahh, okay As for my Weasel read - I disliked their reasoning for voting I don't remember who. I'mma check real quick (I explained it in an earlier post) but at this point I'm just spitting out posts as fast as I can 1 minute ago, A Jo in the Bush said: Y'all, there's like 11 minutes left in Day 1. Yup Also Sage Kangaroo @Oxblood Beagle, gonna do your part? We're running out of time over here Alright here we go 1 hour ago, Taupe Gecko said: For a change, in this instance, H.E.A.R.T.H heavily agrees with the Weasel's reasoning; the statement quoted from Meerkat does indeed provide no seeming reasoning (yes, it is quite similar to the level H.E.A.R.T.H provided for the same statement, but H.E.A.R.T.H clearly established its intent as different to evil-slaying). (OOC - how did votes stand on Dragonfly at the time of that statement? It seems recent, so I'm assuming too volatile a situation for a poke vote) So why, in that case, did Weasel not attack Meerkat? Instead, they chose to attack another Dragonfly voter, who actually seemed to provide a stronger foundation of reasoning in H.E.A.R.T.H's view. Now, there was a heavy possibility that H.E.A.R.T.H was reading too much into this - pattern analysis told it that in this sort of situation, villagers tend to imagine or attribute more meaning than deserved to small acts to fuel their accusations once they make them. H.E.A.R.T.H did not want to fall into that trap - but still, it began to eye Weasel with suspicion. It's very weak, but it just feels off. 41 minutes ago, Mint Heron said: I don't object to a Kanga train at current credences, need to reread (back in 15), mostly don't want a weird scenario where the actual CW is DF unless we all consciously agree this is the route we want to take given the claim and suspicion states atm. Well? You up for this or what?
Oxblood Beagle Posted January 6 Posted January 6 1 minute ago, Taupe Gecko said: Ahh, okay As for my Weasel read - I disliked their reasoning for voting I don't remember who. I'mma check real quick (I explained it in an earlier post) but at this point I'm just spitting out posts as fast as I can Yup Also Sage Kangaroo @Oxblood Beagle, gonna do your part? We're running out of time over here "Yes, I believe there should be another option aside from the Violet Axolotl," Levin answered. "The Sage Kangaroo is another suspect on the cards of being a saboteur."
Mint Heron Posted January 6 Posted January 6 I will say I am ok with Kanga but that's off their general thread position & ironically for reasons opposite croc. But to confirm, in tie world what are the proposes train sizes/configs we are looking at achieving? EDIT: @A Jo in the Bush I am so sorry my almighty god gm do u got a count for me my brain cannot
Ivory Dragonfly Posted January 6 Posted January 6 Ivory Dragonfly Claiming Lurcher 10 hours ago, Saffron Iguana said: "Well, I finally got the dog (and it's hair) disposed of. Unfortunately my job description doesn't allow me to do any more work today. I understand that it's my responsibility to do the cleaning in my allotted time, and I shall strive to be more productive on the morrow." Well, I was about to say that it was odd Dragonfly was leaving random poke votes when they are in the lead, but that's been resolved now. My vote on Sage Kanga has outlived its pokiness. In general I find Axolotl a more compelling option than Dragonfly, but I'm also interested in the Dragonfly voters. In particular, Scarlet Octo hasn't really given much more past their original vote, despite things changing a bit since then. Seems like a "I found an easy vote so I'll just sit on it" kinda attitude. Not that I'm one to talk, but what can you do. Worked it out Saffron Iguana The elim They're claiming Particular lean Oxblood Beagle Mint Heron Melon Dingo Mauve Crocodile Sapphire Elephant Onyx Flamingo Lean Preference Indigo Weasel Violet Axolotl Scarlet Octopus Saffron Iguana Lean Elim
Jo and the Bush all/any Posted January 6 Posted January 6 less than 5 minutes remain Violet Axolotl (5): Onyx Flamingo, Mint Heron, Melon Dingo, Mauve Crocodile, Ivory Dragonfly Scarlet Octopus (1): Saffron Iguana Sapphire Elephant (1): Sunburst Toucan Salmon Meerkat (2): Sapphire Elephant, Magenta Albatross Sage Kangaroo (3): Salmon Meerkat, Oxblood Beagle, Indigo Weasel Mauve Crocodile (1): Quartz Zebra Ivory Dragonfly (3): Violet Axolotl, Scarlet Octopus, Sage Kangaroo Indigo Weasel (1): Taupe Gecko
Mint Heron Posted January 6 Posted January 6 2 minutes ago, Taupe Gecko said: Oh hi Fura Said like Fura's identity wasn't obvious (Everyone is Fura!)
Taupe Gecko Posted January 6 Posted January 6 Just now, Oxblood Beagle said: "Yes, I believe there should be another option aside from the Violet Axolotl," Levin answered. "The Sage Kangaroo is another suspect on the cards of being a saboteur." H.E.A.R.T.H accelerated. Each second brought them closer. Each second, death neared. But changes were being made. Pressure was being applied. And maybe - just maybe - a hand would be forced. A hand. Forced. For a second, H.E.A.R.T.H hung suspended in the air. Below it, the ravine fell away, the river crashed. It shut its eyes. And a hand grabbed onto it, pulling it onto the other side. It was the girl. But she was all grown up now. She smiled, and he smiled back. They had made it. They had survived. He looked back, looked back at the ravine. It was so small now. And then it all faded away. ALRIGHT GUYS WE GOT A TIE
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