Oxblood Beagle Posted January 9 Posted January 9 1 minute ago, Mint Heron said: Do we feel it's a E/E/V or E/V/V situation? Atm I'm thinking E/V/V
Mint Heron Posted January 9 Posted January 9 Just now, Scarlet Octopus said: For which three people? You, Toucan, Iggy. Ig's obviously just E but I'm trying to figure what this says about Toucan. I am enough of a pragmatist that I'd rather we put kill suggestions in the thread and let you pick so we can openly see who is trying to influence you especially if they are asking for choices that turn out to be bad
Scarlet Octopus Posted January 9 Posted January 9 Just now, Mint Heron said: You, Toucan, Iggy. Ig's obviously just E but I'm trying to figure what this says about Toucan. I am enough of a pragmatist that I'd rather we put kill suggestions in the thread and let you pick so we can openly see who is trying to influence you especially if they are asking for choices that turn out to be bad I'm also thinking E/V/V, but there is also a world where Toucan is a sabetour.
Mint Heron Posted January 9 Posted January 9 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Oxblood Beagle said: Atm I'm thinking E/V/V Fair. Toucan voting on Ocho is curious to me, still looks opportunistic. But Iggers willing to vote Toucan def suggests alignment less likely. (I guess the worlds this fails are ones where Toucan has a role they value less.) Am reminded Rhino defended Ig earlier I think. Need to look at it. 3 minutes ago, Scarlet Octopus said: I'm also thinking E/V/V, but there is also a world where Toucan is a sabetour. Yeah. Ideally I just wanna decide how I feel about him. But also deadline. I snuck over while waiting for painkillers to work. Edited January 9 by Mint Heron
Plum Rhinoceros Posted January 9 Posted January 9 What even is this game lol 10 minutes ago, Scarlet Octopus said: Edit: Do we know if the Kandra has eaten someone yet? Someone mentioned Kandra flips as the role they ate so this one did not. Which would mean we've likely got a Seeker That brings the Saboteurs' composition to - Seeker, Rioter, Kandra ; Seeker does hint at good quantity and quality of village PRs. Kandra depends on the gen, but it is still quite powerful that I would not expect them to have 2 of it.
Taupe Gecko Posted January 9 Posted January 9 10 minutes ago, Scarlet Octopus said: I have never seen this before. Well, that's good. Edit: Do we know if the Kandra has eaten someone yet? BRO I’VE NEVER PLAYED A GAME WHERE WE KILL MORE THAN ONE ELIM 3 minutes ago, Plum Rhinoceros said: What even is this game lol Someone mentioned Kandra flips as the role they ate so this one did not. Which would mean we've likely got a Seeker That brings the Saboteurs' composition to - Seeker, Rioter, Kandra ; Seeker does hint at good quantity and quality of village PRs. Kandra depends on the gen, but it is still quite powerful that I would not expect them to have 2 of it. Wait how do we know the bad guys have a Kandra? 15 minutes ago, Mint Heron said: Do we feel it's a E/E/V or E/V/V situation? I’m not fully sure about Toucan but I do feel confident there should be an elim on the D2 Octo train somewhere
Plum Rhinoceros Posted January 9 Posted January 9 Just now, Taupe Gecko said: Wait how do we know the bad guys have a Kandra? Ig just flipped Kandra :P.
Mint Heron Posted January 9 Posted January 9 1 minute ago, Taupe Gecko said: Wait how do we know the bad guys have a Kandra? Uh. Iggy flipped Kandra bruv.... 1 minute ago, Taupe Gecko said: BRO I’VE NEVER PLAYED A GAME WHERE WE KILL MORE THAN ONE ELIM I mean. I have and I'm still genuinely shocked at this accuracy lmao
Sunburst Toucan Posted January 9 Posted January 9 14 minutes ago, Mint Heron said: You, Toucan, Iggy. Ig's obviously just E but I'm trying to figure what this says about Toucan. I am enough of a pragmatist that I'd rather we put kill suggestions in the thread and let you pick so we can openly see who is trying to influence you especially if they are asking for choices that turn out to be bad 24 minutes ago, Taupe Gecko said: … WHAT THE HECKHDBELSYXBEKWIHDMD … I can’t believe this I can’t freaking believe this … Also btw to all the people who didn’t understand my PM (it seems everyone) it was supposed to be the ending of the story I was telling in my RP post Ah, thank you! Awesome story! 2 minutes ago, Taupe Gecko said: BRO I’VE NEVER PLAYED A GAME WHERE WE KILL MORE THAN ONE ELIM Wait how do we know the bad guys have a Kandra? I’m not fully sure about Toucan but I do feel confident there should be an elim on the D2 Octo train somewhere I'M NOT DEAD!!!! YAY!!! (I'm very relieved because I wasn't able to be on between yesterday and now)
Mint Heron Posted January 9 Posted January 9 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Taupe Gecko said: I’m not fully sure about Toucan but I do feel confident there should be an elim on the D2 Octo train somewhere Yeah I got a feeling given Iggy's role they were trying to harvest Ocho. Edit: Flamingo voting Iggy to make it a 5/5 tie + that convo with Iggy... I think they're unpaired. Just the interaction with Flam not being aware Iggy already self-pres voted feels very natural rather than fabricated. (At EoD.) My apologies Flam I've come around to a v!Flam world. Edited January 9 by Mint Heron
Scarlet Octopus Posted January 9 Posted January 9 So we know that there is at least one more Kandra, who is likely village, and who has the seeker role (eaten from Kanga). 14 minutes ago, Taupe Gecko said: Wait how do we know the bad guys have a Kandra? HAD a Kandra, we exed them tonight. 11 minutes ago, Mint Heron said: Yeah I got a feeling given Iggy's role they were trying to harvest Ocho. Yeah, scary thought. I also feel that exing Iggy solved our deepwolf problem.
Mint Heron Posted January 9 Posted January 9 Just now, Scarlet Octopus said: So we know that there is at least one more Kandra, who is likely village, and who has the seeker role (eaten from Kanga). It does assume Iggy chose to fight for it but I think that's a reasonable assumption. I also would not totally ignore the assumption there are more kandra. One CS and 2-3 Lurchers on the OG immortality+overspill rules is very broken. Sure, Jo changed the rules, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Elim team is skewed to kill amd scavenge roles either. Just not enough info. (To be clear I'm thinking aloud.) It's hard to think of the balance dynamics because an Elim team that kills the CS and harvests the CS not only removes the Village PR but also gains it. Tldr; idk off-the-cuff. Would like people making kill votes to Ocho to do it like a day vote (red bold) and in thread please. I want us to avoid a world Ocho has to thunderdome someone + this can be analysed. ...Yeah ok double painkillers it is man this crem don't do jack
Taupe Gecko Posted January 9 Posted January 9 21 minutes ago, Plum Rhinoceros said: Ig just flipped Kandra :P. Oh, mb missed that in all the excitement 1 minute ago, Mint Heron said: It does assume Iggy chose to fight for it but I think that's a reasonable assumption. I also would not totally ignore the assumption there are more kandra. One CS and 2-3 Lurchers on the OG immortality+overspill rules is very broken. Sure, Jo changed the rules, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Elim team is skewed to kill amd scavenge roles either. Just not enough info. (To be clear I'm thinking aloud.) It's hard to think of the balance dynamics because an Elim team that kills the CS and harvests the CS not only removes the Village PR but also gains it. Tldr; idk off-the-cuff. Would like people making kill votes to Ocho to do it like a day vote (red bold) and in thread please. I want us to avoid a world Ocho has to thunderdome someone + this can be analysed. ...Yeah ok double painkillers it is man this crem don't do jack Wait what’s your suggestion about Octo?
Ivory Dragonfly Posted January 9 Posted January 9 15 minutes ago, Mint Heron said: Yeah I got a feeling given Iggy's role they were trying to harvest Ocho. Yeah Quote solved our deepwolf problem Opal Lion, Pearl Chameleon Quote Saffron Iguana (6): Oxblood Beagle, Onyx Flamingo, Mint Heron, Melon Dingo, Magenta Albatross, Ivory Dragonfly Is likely village
Mint Heron Posted January 9 Posted January 9 2 minutes ago, Ivory Dragonfly said: Opal Lion, Pearl Chameleon They should be hitting the PH clock soon. If they're not replaced, they'll be filter-killed so at a stage like this I always wanna say they're kind of self-resolving for the moment. 3 minutes ago, Ivory Dragonfly said: Is likely village Do you believe the entire train is clean or an "at most one Elim" kind of scenario? I can see either but IDK I have a strong read on Albatross, that lean was weak af. 6 minutes ago, Taupe Gecko said: Wait what’s your suggestion about Octo? Ocho asked people to PM them with kill suggestions. I don't think that's wise because it means Ocho ends up having to sift through all the lobbying. Either way, it's Ocho's role - Ocho makes the kill decision, ideally through a Village consensus kill pool. But we have just come off a day where at least four players are convinced Ocho is Evil and where Weasel (I do think he is Village btw) has generated enough FUD to create uncertainty around Ocho. Say Ocho does take a suggestion and flips a Villager tomorrow. Pretend it's the new Village Seeker. We wanna know who suggested it, how Ocho arrived at that decision. Either Ocho says they shoot that person at night, in which case we kind of just gotta trust Ocho to do it, or we functionally get a thunderdome, which is Ocho's word versus that player's word. I agree it's not a great trade for the Elims at likely current numbers but it still sucks and is messy. I want us to do it publicly - treat it like a vote, so all lobbying should be done to fellow Villagers and to Ocho. Ocho still picks from the pool. That way we can all see who is campaigning for what, who is trying to ask for what, and with more flips in the future, there's things to go back to analyse. This also places less of an analysis burden on one (1) Ocho, since everyone can see what's happening. It allows us to track evolution in views too because it's the difference between relying on Ocho to notice that someone seems to have had a very opportunistic switch of views compared to it being there for everyone to see, which will help in solving. Truth to be told, we are probably with enough of a numbers advantage it doesn't matter, but I also played a game where the Village had the game more or less won down to the last two Elims and then lost to a variety of bad reasons including vanity play, people not using their roles, and so on, so I kinda never want to be complacent - if we can avoid that kind of messy situation and farm out the analysis work, why not just do it? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Even if a target is protected, we now know there is a protecc where it shouldn't be, and we know it's likely unfriendly. We also know that target can die tomorrow night because Lurchers can't double-protect anymore. Anyway no guarantees we get PMs tomorrow so.
Taupe Gecko Posted January 9 Posted January 9 4 minutes ago, Mint Heron said: They should be hitting the PH clock soon. If they're not replaced, they'll be filter-killed so at a stage like this I always wanna say they're kind of self-resolving for the moment. Do you believe the entire train is clean or an "at most one Elim" kind of scenario? I can see either but IDK I have a strong read on Albatross, that lean was weak af. Ocho asked people to PM them with kill suggestions. I don't think that's wise because it means Ocho ends up having to sift through all the lobbying. Either way, it's Ocho's role - Ocho makes the kill decision, ideally through a Village consensus kill pool. But we have just come off a day where at least four players are convinced Ocho is Evil and where Weasel (I do think he is Village btw) has generated enough FUD to create uncertainty around Ocho. Say Ocho does take a suggestion and flips a Villager tomorrow. Pretend it's the new Village Seeker. We wanna know who suggested it, how Ocho arrived at that decision. Either Ocho says they shoot that person at night, in which case we kind of just gotta trust Ocho to do it, or we functionally get a thunderdome, which is Ocho's word versus that player's word. I agree it's not a great trade for the Elims at likely current numbers but it still sucks and is messy. I want us to do it publicly - treat it like a vote, so all lobbying should be done to fellow Villagers and to Ocho. Ocho still picks from the pool. That way we can all see who is campaigning for what, who is trying to ask for what, and with more flips in the future, there's things to go back to analyse. This also places less of an analysis burden on one (1) Ocho, since everyone can see what's happening. It allows us to track evolution in views too because it's the difference between relying on Ocho to notice that someone seems to have had a very opportunistic switch of views compared to it being there for everyone to see, which will help in solving. Truth to be told, we are probably with enough of a numbers advantage it doesn't matter, but I also played a game where the Village had the game more or less won down to the last two Elims and then lost to a variety of bad reasons including vanity play, people not using their roles, and so on, so I kinda never want to be complacent - if we can avoid that kind of messy situation and farm out the analysis work, why not just do it? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Even if a target is protected, we now know there is a protecc where it shouldn't be, and we know it's likely unfriendly. We also know that target can die tomorrow night because Lurchers can't double-protect anymore. Anyway no guarantees we get PMs tomorrow so. What if we get Octo to just... not shoot? Honestly, we're in a great position right now, but because we've got three dead elims and 0 villa deaths, the villa to elim ratio has got to be insane. Octo's shot will almost certainly take out an ally... so why take it? It's not like we're under any imminent pressure
Scarlet Octopus Posted January 9 Posted January 9 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Mint Heron said: I want us to do it publicly - treat it like a vote, so all lobbying should be done to fellow Villagers and to Ocho. Ocho still picks from the pool. That way we can all see who is campaigning for what, who is trying to ask for what, and with more flips in the future, there's things to go back to analyse. This also places less of an analysis burden on one (1) Ocho, since everyone can see what's happening. It allows us to track evolution in views too because it's the difference between relying on Ocho to notice that someone seems to have had a very opportunistic switch of views compared to it being there for everyone to see, which will help in solving. I agree. I would like all kill requests to me made in Bolded blue text in thread. You can still PM me kill suggestions, but I will post them and who sent them in the thread. 2 minutes ago, Taupe Gecko said: What if we get Octo to just... not shoot? That is my initial plan, actually. I planned not to kill anyone tonight. But I think letting the village vote is better. If you don't want me to kill, write No Kill Edit: I wonder what the dead doc looks like right now Edited January 9 by Scarlet Octopus
Taupe Gecko Posted January 9 Posted January 9 No Kill 16 minutes ago, Scarlet Octopus said: Edit: I wonder what the dead doc looks like right now Probably furious
Mint Heron Posted January 9 Posted January 9 10 minutes ago, Taupe Gecko said: What if we get Octo to just... not shoot? Honestly, we're in a great position right now, but because we've got three dead elims and 0 villa deaths, the villa to elim ratio has got to be insane. Octo's shot will almost certainly take out an ally... so why take it? It's not like we're under any imminent pressure 16 minutes ago, Scarlet Octopus said: That is my initial plan, actually. I planned not to kill anyone tonight. But I think letting the village vote is better. If you don't want me to kill, write No Kill Honestly? Some of it is the night exe debate, which is something that's been tried and historically just doesn't do very much. The idea I'm proposing is not new and a number of CSes have turned their kill into a secondary exe before. It's just that people are generally tired af and don't wanna do it at night. I initially considered suggesting it as the pragmatic way of dealing with the Ocho debate but also was too damned tired/deadline stress and FUDed to wanna deal with it. The appeal is that the CS explicitly gets something to go off, and that it puts pressure on the Elims at Night, because if they're named as a popular kill target, the pressure mounts unless they have a Lurcher. But that being said, once you agree to the idea no one is dying, there is no pressure and therefore no point. (Similar to an exe - no exe isn't the end of the world but if you start out agreeing it's gonna be a no exe, then nothing gets done because everyone knows nothing that happens that Turn will affect anyone's wincon.) But also never tell me the odds man, we just exed two Elims in a row and Ocho took down a third >:) (Watch me find out tomorrow we MLed or something ) 15 minutes ago, Scarlet Octopus said: I agree. I would like all kill requests to me made in Bolded blue text in thread. You can still PM me kill suggestions, but I will post them and who sent them in the thread.
Taupe Gecko Posted January 9 Posted January 9 2 minutes ago, Mint Heron said: Honestly? Some of it is the night exe debate, which is something that's been tried and historically just doesn't do very much. The idea I'm proposing is not new and a number of CSes have turned their kill into a secondary exe before. It's just that people are generally tired af and don't wanna do it at night. I initially considered suggesting it as the pragmatic way of dealing with the Ocho debate but also was too damned tired/deadline stress and FUDed to wanna deal with it. The appeal is that the CS explicitly gets something to go off, and that it puts pressure on the Elims at Night, because if they're named as a popular kill target, the pressure mounts unless they have a Lurcher. But that being said, once you agree to the idea no one is dying, there is no pressure and therefore no point. (Similar to an exe - no exe isn't the end of the world but if you start out agreeing it's gonna be a no exe, then nothing gets done because everyone knows nothing that happens that Turn will affect anyone's wincon.) But also never tell me the odds man, we just exed two Elims in a row and Ocho took down a third >:) (Watch me find out tomorrow we MLed or something ) MLed?
Mint Heron Posted January 9 Posted January 9 4 minutes ago, Taupe Gecko said: MLed? Misexed a Villager.
Melon Dingo Posted January 9 Posted January 9 LOL ok wow. Has this happened in SE before? 3 elims to 0 villagers dead? Ok so, skimming last night I think I agree that makes Flamingo look good as well. I think thats the main thing that does for reads but ill have to go back and actually read it later. As for the shot, im more pro using it largely just because it'd be pretty funny if we can kill all the elims before anyone dies. Idk if that's possible as it depends a bit on luck but its more likely to happen if we use the coinshot lol As for the team we're in a 20 person game and we know they had rioter so id guess theres 1-2 elims left. 3 left for 6 total is possible but I dont think it likely in a game with an e!rioter.
Onyx Flamingo Posted January 9 Posted January 9 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mint Heron said: Yeah I got a feeling given Iggy's role they were trying to harvest Ocho. Edit: Flamingo voting Iggy to make it a 5/5 tie + that convo with Iggy... I think they're unpaired. Just the interaction with Flam not being aware Iggy already self-pres voted feels very natural rather than fabricated. (At EoD.) My apologies Flam I've come around to a v!Flam world. Edited January 9 by Onyx Flamingo
Ivory Dragonfly Posted January 9 Posted January 9 1 hour ago, Scarlet Octopus said: I agree. I would like all kill requests to me made in Bolded blue text in thread. You can still PM me kill suggestions, but I will post them and who sent them in the thread. That is my initial plan, actually. I planned not to kill anyone tonight. But I think letting the village vote is better. If you don't want me to kill, write No Kill Edit: I wonder what the dead doc looks like right now Quote All out of game discussion should be in blue once the game starts. This applies to everything that is unrelated to the game, mostly pertaining to real life events/situations that affect your ability to play or that you wish to share with the other players. Site issues like the server going down and being unable to access the site or a site update creating problems in other parts of the site that affect the game would be blue-text as well. If it pertains directly to the game itself in any way, keep it in black. Kill
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