The amazing online circus

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

11 hours ago, Theory said:

Yoooo compsci is da best

At least the field in general

#Totally-not-biased

oh you like comp sci?

I used to want to be a coder (oh wow who could've guessed it almost like im a coderdragon)

but then AI happened

now I want to be a data scientist

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Just now, CoderDrag0n8 said:

oh you like comp sci?

I used to want to be a coder (oh wow who could've guessed it almost like im a coderdragon)

but then AI happened

now I want to be a data scientist

i still love coding, but data science is interesting too

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

20 minutes ago, Theory said:

i still love coding, but data science is interesting too

I love coding (Comp Sci P is my favorite class) but I no longer see a major or career in purely coding

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1 minute ago, CoderDrag0n8 said:

I love coding (Comp Sci P is my favorite class) but I no longer see a major or career in purely coding

yeah...when im into computer science which im pretty sure isnt all coding. its also like algorithms'n'stuff. and i love stuff like computer architecture (think CPU, RAM, logic gates, assembly languages, machine code, etc.) and programming languages (including compilers'n'stuff)

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

6 minutes ago, Theory said:

yeah...when im into computer science which im pretty sure isnt all coding. its also like algorithms'n'stuff. and i love stuff like computer architecture (think CPU, RAM, logic gates, assembly languages, machine code, etc.) and programming languages (including compilers'n'stuff)

Yeah coding is like Software Engineering but Computer Science is more Science.

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1 minute ago, CoderDrag0n8 said:

Yeah coding is like Software Engineering but Computer Science is more Science.

Yeah, I'm more CS than SE.

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

1 hour ago, Theory said:

Yeah, I'm more CS than SE.

I've always been more creative, into making stuff, and while I love learning, I find having a problem and coding your way through to be incredibly fun.

I see Data Science as some sort of extension, as I have always been very techy and see it as a combination of digital tools trying to solve a data oriented digital problem.

[Keke They/he]

Back on topic 

how do we feel about 

EOPISODE 8 BEING ON FROG DAY???

[Through the Living Hope]

I was rewatching episode seven and, when you really pay attention, it’s obvious that this is an adventure, especially with the context of episodes five and six. 

In episode five, right before the infamous intermission, Caine comments on how everyone seems to like each other’s adventures more than his. We know making adventures is his whole purpose. In the next episode, the Favorite Character Awards happens. It’s never referenced before this. Also in the episode after never being mentioned before is the Committee, who all love Caine. And in the post credit scene, we see no one voted for Caine as favorite character. 

Now put yourself in Caine’s shoes for a moment. Three episodes in a row, the cast requests suggestion box adventures, and no one voted him to be their favorite character. He probably felt neglected and unappreciated. 

In episode seven, Abel brings up multiple times that if they leave, Caine won’t be able to come with them. Also, part of the adventure involves getting to know Caine, and hanging out with him, taking time to appreciate him. Caine also says that he wants the players to be happy, and he wants to give them what they want. 

Caine knows everyone wants to leave. When Pomni first arrived in the pilot, Jax said that they all tried to take off the headset- they all tried to leave. They just eventually gave up. 

Also in the pilot, Caine said he was trying to figure out how to make an adventure involving an exit. He just didn’t know what to put on the other side. 

Caine knew everyone wanted to leave, and he wanted to make an adventure everyone liked. That being said, he also wanted validation for being ignored. He must have thought that making an adventure involving an escape, but also centered around realizing Caine is cool, would make everyone happy. 

It… makes sense, and even before we got to the scene with the buttons, we should have known something was up. 

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Has it already been two weeks?

Anyway what'r'yall talkin' 'bout?

[Through the Living Hope]

12 hours ago, Keke said:

Back on topic 

how do we feel about 

EOPISODE 8 BEING ON FROG DAY???

Scared

[Keke They/he]

1 minute ago, Spark of Hope said:

Scared

... ribbit....

[Through the Living Hope]

7 minutes ago, Keke said:

... ribbit....

But on the other hand… Jax backstory/Kinger talk?

[Keke They/he]

10 hours ago, Spark of Hope said:

But on the other hand… Jax backstory/Kinger talk?

YEAHHHHHHHHH

[Through the Living Hope]

Ep 8 thoughts and theories 

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“You really were the lesser of the two”. We know Caine and Bubble are strongly connected, even before eight. I think that’s more evidence that Bubble is Cain and Caine is Abel. Lesser in strength, anyway, since Cain overpowered Abel

“They won’t abstract. They won’t leave me. I won’t let them.” Gives more weight to the theory that Caine causes abstraction, at least in some cases, the way he panicked when Scratch was mentioned

“I’m the original,” screaming it when there’s no one around, almost like he’s trying to convince himself, not anyone else

There’s the whole “Caine eats the people who abstract” theory, but when Caine sings “don’t forget who’s running the show,” everyone slides into a giant Bubble’s mouth, like Bubble is the one running the show

Caine originally said his purpose was to keep their minds sane. Causing harm to their avatars doesn’t fit into that. Bubble may be talking to Caine more than the time we saw, offscreen during episode eight, while everyone was in the adventures

Pomni’s eyes did the scribble thing when the knives were in her head. Maybe Caine or Bubble said something?

Kinger said Scratch had a lot to do with the framework for Caine. Maybe he tried to alter his code while in the circus and, if Caine/Bubble do play a role in abstractions, maybe they abstracted Scratch to protect themselves? Though he did also say Scratch had a tumor in his head, so it’s possible that he died from brain cancer in the real world or it destroyed too much of his brain, which caused his body to abstract

“Fill me in later” “Be here later” “… I will”. Probably the most honest we’ve seen Jax be recently, and his eyes show that he wasn’t masking

Kinger said the entire circus was something Caine made from nothing, and no one could remember their names. Caine said he could put copies of their minds into NPCs. Based on how “Abel” tried to make everyone avoid Kinger, there’s speculation that that’s Kingers mind in an NPC, and the avoidance was so he wouldn’t recognize himself. Caine made the circus from nothing, and it’s supposed to be a game all ages can enjoy. The censoring of cursing and stuff like that to be family friendly. Parents always tell online kids not to say their real names to strangers on the internet. When Caine was deleted, the censor for cursing was removed. Maybe Caine put the name forgetting in place, and if so, maybe everyone will remember more of their pasts in the next episode, names included

Another thing that I think indicates Caine isn’t in his right mind this episode. Over and over, we’ve seen that Caine wants to be loved. He made The Committee love him, wants everyone to stay because they like him, had a brief mental breakdown when he wasn’t voted favorite character. But when Ragatha comes with a list of things they like about him, he completely blows her off and turns them into bowling pins. Based on past episodes, that seems extremely out of character for him 

Caine went to his office with Bubble after sculpting with everyone, and when he came back and grabbed Pomni, his pupils and irises were tiny. Like we’ve seen Bubble’s be

When Pomni said his ideas were bad and everyone backed her, Caine started panicking, and that’s when he snapped. Because even though they’re just rage baiting to distract him.. that’s exactly what Bubble has been telling him.

Also, Caine wants them to be happy. If he was in his right mind, why would he show them all their fears?

In Jax’s nightmare, Pomni, Ribbit, and Kaufmo were laughing at him. His friends. He’s the “funny one”. He wants people to laugh with him, but is terrified of them laughing at him. Maybe that’s why he hated the maid dress. It made him a joke. It made people laugh at him, not with him, which (based on the centipedes and her mother for Rags and the parts and mirrors for Zooble) is his greatest fear and insecurity 

You can read conversations in the code if you slow it to .25 speed and pause

When he returns to normal before he fully deleted, Caine’s eyes widened. He was scared.

Caine and Bubble aren’t dancing in the credits. They’re just… gone

 

[Verdance he/him]

I was blown away and also expected that episode to be the last because if I remember correctly murder drones had eight episodes 

Half the time in murder drones i had no idea what was happening anyway

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

I LOVED THAT EPISODE

Cannot believe

Spoiler

cain died like wtf???

and crazy biblical iconography, huh?

[Verdance he/him]

4 minutes ago, Through The Living Coder said:

I LOVED THAT EPISODE

Cannot believe

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cain died like wtf???

and crazy biblical iconography, huh?

Okay what i would have done to mirror the biblical iconography would be to kick caine out of the circus, having him wander the internet forever constantly being attacked by other softwares and things, mirroring Cain’s original fate. 
but very very interesting 

also i very much relate to Cain, he and Jax are basically both perfectly describe some pf the worst parts of me that i try to avoid.

Edited March 23 by Through The Living Grass

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

1 minute ago, Through The Living Grass said:

Okay what i would have done to mirror the biblical iconography would be to kick caine out of the circus, having him wander the internet forever constantly being attacked by other softwares and things, mirroring Cain’s original fate. 
but very very interesting 

also i very much relate to Cain, he and Jax are basically both perfectly describe some pf the worst parts of me that i try to avoid.

Well. You have to stop somewhere with the biblical iconography

In a way, Cain's story goes as this.

He was the first, the original. But he was faulty, failed. So when his god (Scratch and Kinger) tossed him aside for his brother, Able, he was angry. And so he, Cain, killed Able. Devoured him, to be exact. And afterwards, he created a hell, he became a god, trying to rebel against those that threw him aside. This also connects to why the 'Able' from the previous episode avoided Kinger, connecting to his internal knowledge of Cain still hating his original god. Of course, then, Cain and Able were one, with Cain overpowering Able and turning him into A bubBLE. But Able was still there, a reflection of his inner thoughts, constantly fueling this episode, from the very beginning. From the beginning, bubble was there, pumping up Cain's self confidence, telling them that the cast couldn't possibly hate or dislike him. Do you know that iron and steel bend a lot a more than diamonds? And yet, when diamonds do break, they shatter. Shards fly everywhere and hurt everyone. This instilled self-confidence from bubble kept him from having a real talk with the cast, and bending. Reaffirming him that his viewpoint was right, and strengthening his viewpoint. So when Cain couldn't suppress his inner thoughts anymore, bubble made all of that pent up confusion building up, all the stress put on the diamond, and let it all out at once. He hounded Cain with all of this pent up inner thoughts that were in Cain's head, and bubble broke the diamond. And so, Cain shattered. Cain reveled in his godhood, and as a result, his shards hurt everyone, even himself. In the end, Kinger, the original god, dealt with these shards. Before the first murderer could hurt anyone else that bad, kinger set him to the most eternal hell there is. Nonexistence. Of course, it wasn't just kinger that did this. Bubble, no, Able, helped kill Cain. In the end, Cain died. This time around, Able was the one who killed him. I think in this version of the story, Able wont end up the innocent good person like in the original. In this version, Able gets his revenge. In this side of the story, Able is the one who gets the final kill on Cain. Able isn't the good guy anymore. Maybe Cain was more innocent than Able since the beginning. There is one thing we do know, though. The last episode? The bad guy will be Able, and the goal: To escape the circus. To finally escape the circus.

[Verdance he/him]

Abel is spelled Abel :3

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There’s also the parallel of how Cain’s sacrifice was not pleasing to God, and how Caine’s creations as a generative AI just weren’t good enough for (insert evil corporation name here)

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

1 minute ago, Through The Living Grass said:

Abel is spelled Abel :3

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There’s also the parallel of how Cain’s sacrifice was not pleasing to God, and how Caine’s creations as a generative AI just weren’t good enough for (insert evil corporation name here)

Shush

How Caine's creations as a generative AI couldn't please Kinger and Scratch, so they made Abel to outcompete him.

However, the differences in their names, Caine and Able, it shows how it doesn't end like the original story. Cain(e) and Ab(le)(el) go along, but then (Ab)Le kills (Cain)E.

[Verdance he/him]

Just now, Through The Living Coder said:

Shush

How Caine's creations as a generative AI couldn't please Kinger and Scratch, so they made Abel to outcompete him.

However, the differences in their names, Caine and Able, it shows how it doesn't end like the original story. Cain(e) and Ab(le)(el) go along, but then (Ab)Le kills (Cain)E.

Yes 

i both highly respect the biblical aspect of the story and get really irritated by it

love the show, though, so peak

gonna rewatch the whole thing when i see the next trailer

[Through The Living Grub He/Him]

Bro that episode was an emotional rollercoaster.

I love the connection to the biblical story, it adds so much more meaning to Caine as a character.

But that episode was terrifying.... I have to forcibly not think about Jax's torture because the thought of him without his skin makes my skin crawl.

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

1 minute ago, Through The Living Grub said:

Bro that episode was an emotional rollercoaster.

I love the connection to the biblical story, it adds so much more meaning to Caine as a character.

But that episode was terrifying.... I have to forcibly not think about Jax's torture because the thought of him without his skin makes my skin crawl.

The thought of him without his skin makes your skin crawl? Are you sure you still have enough skin to crawl in? *transports you to the beginning of the digital circus where you are created with a bunny outfit and your name is created to be Jax*

MUAHAHAHAHA

[Verdance he/him]

Idk the moment i started identifying with jax was when they put him in the whole anime girl outfit and he lost his mind

that was funny, and was the first place i really saw him as like a normal redeemable person