Thoughts on Death Spren

[Arook]

I noticed something while reading a different topic. Don't death spren have red eyes and so do thunderclast as well? We have only 2 examples of the voidbringers in the WoK's and I have not read all of the readings for WoR but I do know of 1 in Dalinar's reading

 

Here is the link. for those that wish to read it. http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/3710-words-of-radiance-readings/

This got me thinking. So I reread that chapter and sure enough they do.

 

 

 

He saw the deathspren. They were fist-size and black, with many legs and deep red eyes that glowed leaving trails of burning light.  WoK ebook 575/1036

 

 

Here is the descriptions in the books

WoK

• First one is a brief description of a Thunderclast in the prelude described as having glowing red eyes 
  Kalak rounded a rocky stone ridge and stumbled to a stop before the body of a dying thunderclast. The enormous stone beast lay on its side, riblike protrusions from its chest broken and cracked. The monstrosity was vaguely skeletal in shape, with unnaturally long limbs that sprouted from granite shoulders. The eyes were deep red spots on the arrowhead face, as if created by a fire burning deep within the stone. They faded.

  (just wanted it small)

• Midnight essence which has no relevance.

WoR Dalinar Reading

 

 

Dalinar shouted, jumping back, spear pointed downward. “That was a face,” he said. “In the water!”

“Riverspren?” the knight asked, stepping up beside him.

“It looked like a shadow,” Dalinar said, “with red eyes.”

“It’s here then,” the knight said. “Ja-ana’s spy! Kade, run for the checkpoint. The rest of you keep watching. He won’t be able to go far without a carrier.” She yanked something off her belt, a small pouch.

“There, “ Dalinar said, spotting a small red dot in the water. It flowed away from him, swimming like a fish. He charged after it, running as he learned earlier. What good would it do to catch a spren, though? You couldn’t catch spren, not with any method he knew. Still he followed it, the others charging behind. It slipped through the water, fish scattered away, frightened by Dalinar’s splashing.

“I’m chasing a spren,” Dalinar said under his breath. “It’s what we’ve been hunting. It looks like a little face, a shadowy one with red eyes. It swims in the water like a fish. Wait, there’s another one, joining it. A larger one, like a full figure, easily six feet. A swimming person like a shadow. It –”

“Storms!” the knight shouted suddenly. “It brought an escort.” The larger spren twisted and dove downward into the water, vanishing into the rocky ground. Dalinar stopped, uncertain if he should keep chasing the smaller one or remain here. The others started running backward. Uh-oh.

Dalinar scrambled away as the rocky lake bottom began to shake. He stumbled, splashing down into the water. It was so clear, he could see the floor cracking beneath him, as if something large were pounding against it from underneath.

“Come on!” one of the soldiers cried, grabbing him by the arm. Dalinar pulled to his feet as the cracks widened below. The once still surface of the lake churned and thrashed. The ground jolted, almost tumbling Dalinar to the ground again. Ahead of him, several of the soldiers did fall. The knight stood firm, a massive Shardblade forming in her hands. Dalinar glanced over her shoulder in time to see a rock emerge from the surface of the water.

 

 A long arm, perhaps fifteen feet in length, burst from the water, and slammed back down, as if to get purchase from the floor. Another arm rose nearby, elbow to the sky. Then they heaved, as if attached to a body doing a push-up. The body ripped from the floor of the lake, pullin itself out of the rocky floor. It was like someone had been buried in sand, and was now risigng from it. Water streamed from the creature’s back, which was ridged and pocked and grown over with bits of shalebark and underwater ferns. The spren had somehow animated the stone itself. As it stood and twisted about, Dalinar could make out glowing red eyes, like molten rock set in an even, stone face. Skeletal, arms thin like bones, and fingers that ended in rocky claws. The chest was a ribcage of stone.
“Thunderclast!” soldiers yelled. “Hammers! Fetch hammers!”

 

 

I included the spren description too.

 

 

My point is: what if Deathspren don't apprear to people dying like fear spren appear to people who are afraid? Voidbringers are so very weak right now that they only attack people that are dying.

 

 

Side note anyone know what color blood the parshendi have? I can't remember.

[Gamma Fiend]

Good connections and theory!
There definitely has to be a connection with the evil glowing red eyes. It's too maniacal to be coincidence.

And Pareshendi have orange blood, I believe. And thunderclasts have purple, IIRC?

[Arook]

And Pareshendi have orange blood, I believe.

Thank you.

 

 

 And thunderclasts have purple, IIRC?

They bleed???

[Gamma Fiend]

"Many of the bodies around him were human; many were not. Blood mixed. Red. Orange. Violet."

From the prelude. He mentions dead thunderclasts prior to that. And although they're not quite Chasmfiends, I think they're similar enough.
I think Thunderclasts bleed purple. Could totally be wrong though. Sanderson is tricky like that.

[WeiryWriter]

Since thunderclasts are animated stone, I don't think they bleed?

Edited December 28, 2013 by WeiryWriter

[Satsuoni]

They don't... Probably, being solid rock and all. Chasmfiends, and, presumably, lesser shell beasts like chulls, have violet blood. They have no confirmed connection to Thunderclasts.

Edited December 28, 2013 by Satsuoni

[WeiryWriter]

They don't... Probably, being solid rock and all. Chasmfiends, and, presumably, lesser shell beasts like chulls, have violet blood. They have no confirmed connection to Thunderclasts.

 

In fact, and I forgot to put this in my previous post, it is confirmed they are not connected:

 

 

Q: Are chasmfiends related to Thunderclasts?

B: No. Good question though.  Thunderclasts actually show up pretty early in the second book.  More what thunderclasts are-- Dalinar sees one in a flashback in the second book.  So you’ll get a good explanation of where they come from, but they are more related to the voidbringers where chasmfiends are actually a living part of the ecosystem

(source)

[Gamma Fiend]

What about the hands/claws of thunderclasts? The thunderclasts themselves are made out of stone, but I think they're limbs need to be a little bit more flexible than solid rock.

And there still needs to be a source for the violet blood in the Prelude.
There's no mention of Chasmfiends, so I just assumed the next closest thing, even if they aren't related, I still think they're pretty darn similar.

[Satsuoni]

They have arms. Animated arms made of stone. Either the joints separate pieces of stone and the Spren holds them together, or Spren makes the stone soft and solid at will ( "surface tension" surge? )

A long arm, perhaps fifteen feet in length, burst from the water, and slammed back down, as if to get purchase from the floor. Another arm rose nearby, elbow to the sky. Then they heaved, as if attached to a body doing a push-up. The body ripped from the floor of the lake, pullin itself out of the rocky floor. It was like someone had been buried in sand, and was now risigng from it. Water streamed from the creature’s back, which was ridged and pocked and grown over with bits of shalebark and underwater ferns. The spren had somehow animated the stone itself. As it stood and twisted about, Dalinar could make out glowing red eyes, like molten rock set in an even, stone face. Skeletal, arms thin like bones, and fingers that ended in rocky claws. The chest was a ribcage of stone.

[Gamma Fiend]

Well dangit.

I'll admit it's not thunderclasts blood. (And to be fair, aren't we not allowed to use/discuss WoR reading material yet? Heh.) ((I don't care for the record. I forgot about Dalinar thunderclast reading))

But still.
Where in the name of Damnation does the purple blood come from in the Prelude?


Edit: Battle Chulls.... that may actually be a logical explanation. lol

 

Edited December 28, 2013 by Gamma Fiend

[Oudeis]

Where in the name of Damnation does the purple blood come from in the Prelude?

 

BATTLE CHULLS!

 

FORWARD, MY CRUSTACEAN MINIONS!

[Arook]

And there still needs to be a source for the violet blood in the Prelude.

There's no mention of Chasmfiends, so I just assumed the next closest thing, even if they aren't related, I still think they're pretty darn similar.

 

Jasnah has a drawing that is a Chasmfiend and its supposed to be a voidbringer

[Oudeis]

Jasnah has a drawing that is a Chasmfiend and its supposed to be a voidbringer

 

...which was immediately followed-up with an explanation that she herself finds the drawing to be suspect, a fabrication of the author's mind, not a citable source. Which doesn't mean it's wrong, Jasnah could easily be wrong herself, it just means to take it with a pinch of copper.

 

YES I'M GOING TO KEEP USING SCADRIAN PHRASES, EVEN ON OTHER FORA.

[Satsuoni]

For all we know, Voidbringers might have been using possessed Chasmfiends to stem the tide of battle chulls cavalry, and the whole thing looked like Imperial guards against chaos hordes

[Arook]

For all we know, Voidbringers might have been using possessed Chasmfiends to stem the tide of battle chulls cavalry, and the whole thing looked like Imperial guards against chaos hordes

I want that to be the case.