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I just finished reading the list of Steelhunters from The Vault. A lot of the post were entertaining, there was even one ketek. 

 

A lot of people got their code by wearing a mistcloak and the most frequent quote was "Life before Death. Strength before weakness. Journey before destination."

 

is there somebody else out there that have read the whole list?

 

Brandon did a reading at the Provo Library signing. It's the first scene of Dalinar in WoR. We just finished transcribing it and here's the link to the google docs. 

 

A thunderclast appears at the end and it seemed to come from a "corrupted" spren.

Okay I'm going to start transcribing the Dalinar reading.  The Google Doc is here. (hopefully that worked...) - WeiryWriter

 

Yup, it worked. I tried to continue it. I also used 

, (a video of the reading) in the transcription. Someone was also editing the file at the same time as me and he/she corrected the format. I was writing it as one long paragraph since I didnt know when to make a new one.

 

i stopped at 6:00 of the reading since its past midnight here. I'll continue it later if it is still not finished by then.

 

EDIT: its finally finished! Zebobes continued it after i stopped. Wow, transcribing is hard work. about 9 minutes of audio and it took us hours to transcribe it all. there were lots of coughing and there was even a baby crying.

This is an interesting theory, the topic about Surgebinding and Shardwielding have been discussed (here's the link ) but I don't think there's been a theory claiming Shardweilding as the second ability of Windrunners and Stonewards.

Here are a few qoutes from the topic.

So I finally took a look at the back cover and this stood out like a sore thumb.

Obviously Shardwielding isn't Shardbearing, because Shardbearing isn't something that's gone and Shardbearers aren't magical, just have magical loot. So, anyone know what the heck that is?

Therefore, Shardweilding may be the "unlocking" of Shardplate's true power, with Shardplate simply being used on the "basic" settings in the present day, its wearers ignorant or unworthy of the entirety of its powers.

There is one piece of evidence.

From the back cover of the hardcover:

This indicates very strongly to me that the current owners of Shardblades are not "Shardwielding".

Anyway, just check-out the topic. Here's my comment on the previous comments.

I am of the opinion that the current plate wearers are just not able to access the full capabilities. With proper training, I could see Dalinar and Kaladin. Sanderson has already given us an example of a magic system where everyone has the potential but it is not realized by all.

What if they cant access the full capabilities of the shard plate because they can't Shardwield? If Shardweilding is a separate magic system, then you cant just train yourself to get better. You have to be able to access that magic. Take for example the mistings, they can use Allomancy but they can't access all of it. Maybe not everyone can use Shardweilding.

I don't know if shard-wielding is deliberately something that you can learn or if it is that all shardplate is de-powered.

You can't deliberately learn a magic system, you have to do something to be able to access it (embody an ideal, be born as an alomancer, get enough Breath, etc.) Why are they de-powered? I think it's because the Shardbearers can't Shardwield.

Anyone can shoot a bow, but a skilled archer can do it more accurately and rapidly. Anyone can wield a sword, but a skilled swordsman is way more deadly than the farmhand that only picked one up earlier in the day.

Training does matter. Sanderson has already shown us in his works that people may be born with an inate ability, but not realize it without proper training. All Elantrians can draw the glyphs, but it still takes training in the glyphs and addons to make a master. Vin had the inate abilities of a Mistborn, but she did not realize all of them until Kelsier trained her. Even with his training, she still spent time with each of the mistings to become better with each individual skill. Sanderson has stated that Siri and her sister both have abilities because of their Returned ultimate grandfather. Vivenna contained hundreds of breaths but was unable to use them until Vasher gave her training. Even Vasher is still learning. The commands are out there, they just have to be discovered.

We know that Radiants were able to do things that current bearers simply are unable to do. It is not all that much of a stretch to say that properly trained modern shardbearers could do the same stuff provided they had the inborn talent.

Anyone might be able to throw a stone, but even if you train very hard you won't be able to throw as far as a mistborn burning pewter. I think it's not just "inborn talent" that you need to use the shardplates effectively, you have to be able to Shardwield.

Here's a quote from the book that supports the theory that only Stonewards and Windrunners can Shardwield. It's the time that Dalinar saw The Day of Recreance in a vision. (I dont have my book with me so i'm using an ebook, i can't give the page numbers.)

He couldn’t read the rank insignias, but he could recognize an officer when he saw one standing in a blood-​red cloak with a group of honor guards. He had no mail, just a shiny bronze breastplate over leather, and was conferring with one of the scouts. Dalinar hurried up.

Only then did he see that the man’s eyes were dark brown. That gave Dalinar a shock of incredulity. Those around him treated the man like a brightlord.

“…the Order of the Stonewards, my lord,” the still-​mounted scout was saying. “And a large number of Windrunners. All on foot.”

“But why?” the darkeyed officer demanded. “Why are Radiants coming here? They should be fighting the devils on the front lines!”

and

“Will someone tell me why?” Dalinar bellowed. “This is it, isn’t it? The Day of Recreance, the day you betrayed mankind. But why?” None of them spoke. It was as if he didn’t exist.

People spoke of betrayal, of the day the Knights Radiant turned their backs on their fellow men. What were they fighting, and why had they stopped? Two orders of knights were mentioned, Dalinar thought. But there were ten orders. What of the other eight?

Only two orders were mentioned, Stonewards and Windrunners. why? In another of his vision (the one when he was in the body of Heb) Radiants from the order of Stonewards and Windrunner came to help. Again, the two orders. This might be because they are the only one that can Shardwield and thus, can travel far very quickly but in a different manner. I do accept that another explanation might exist why it seems that only Stonewards and Windrunners can "travel" but i like Djando Je's theory.

Its Peter, he wrote all the Ars Arcanum.

My best guess is that it's written from the point of view of a sentient spren. Spren seem to be immortal, or at least extremely long-lived, as evidenced by Syl's eventual recollection of the days of the Knights Radiant. They seem to be keeping an eye on the four key players, as evidenced by the symbol-heads watching Shallan and Syl finding Kaladin. They would have an intimate knowledge of the magics of Roshar, would feel the loss of those magics as acutely as any human, and would feel betrayed by Radiants and Heralds both when they called it quits.

AFAICT, nothing in the text contradicts this theory. I don't know if there's a lot that supports it, but I can't think of anyone else that fits.

if its from the point of view of of sprens, then how will they be "redeemed" and who, among the four, will destroy them?

I'm also reading it. I also appreciate the comments of peter.

I dont think so, if they "melt" in pure water or salt water then it would have been mentioned in the book. They are valued as servants and having a servant that melts would be a big deal.

Mad_scientist, nice post. i find your discussions very interesting.

Has it been confirmed that all the three are not from Roshar? maybe they have some local help or guide...