Torian'Omil Stonespark

All the Alethi Nobility are misguided. Most used Sadeas's bridges, which are a far worse offense than anything Amaram has done. Amaram gave in to the system, giving up his honor at some point. With the philosophies of his commander(Sadeas) can you blame him? I think we're going to see a wonderful character arc of apology, repentance, and eventual friendship here. Very similar to what Szeth will have to go through, but less severe. Remember, these books are about uniting before a common foe, not the constant backstabbing for power. Dalinar isn't Ned Stark. That's not the style we're going to see.

I am sorry, but to do things because everyone else does them is not a justification for wrong...Amaram, knew he did wrong and apologized by NOT killing Kaladin. He murdered people to cover up a lie. The same people who risked everything to save his life, not at the behest of Sadeas or any other liege lord, he made the final decision. I am not screaming for blood, and I am not a George Martin fan (I just read a lot). But with the concept of being bound to honor I do think or wish to see Kaladin assume a mantle of understanding, because Amaram's actions were not those of survival or something any person of honor would do, but an act that revealed his nature in a moment of weakness (maybe) but he is flawed. As I mentioned, I accept the premise that in line with the ideals of his order Kaladin will not harm Amaram as it would put the 2,000 bridge men/soldiers he now has to protect at risk, but I believe what happens depends entirely on Amaram's actions.

I had assumed it was his request to take away the pain of the loss, and the curse was total erasure from his memory, where it took away the pain of the loss as well as the good times.

More evidence. Just finished my reread to prepare for March 4th and I came across this.

 

Chapter 75 "In the Top Room." page 997 bold formatting added by me.

 

This suggests men do not bear the Shards of the KR now. I could be reading to much into it, but something is wrong with the shardblades and plates humans have at the time of TWoKs.

I believe this also alludes to the present plate being powered by an inferior source (gemstones) Kaladins marked increase in his control of stormlight after speaking the ideals is a measurable increase that in my opinion is a "step" the ideals provide a focus, the oathpact a purpose. I do not believe that any person has made a shard plate, but those in existence are the remnants from the Recreance, powered by the substandard power sources, and eventually these will be used as they were intended by those invested with the power to fulfill the oathpact.

I am reminded of Syl's question to Kaladin, something in the nature of, do wind spren make wind?...I think we are at a focal point of all of those things that attract spren and will see bonds because the acts that draw them are more manifest in the environ and actions on the Shattered Plains. It is like a huge fire, so naturally there will be a lot of (flame) spren drawn there.

I suspect that originally, the plate was powered by the Stormlight held by the wearer.  The current plate uses gems as an alternate, inferior power source. 

Look at how much Stormlight Kaladin, a newbie KR, is able to hold, and for how long.  If he gets better at holding it with experience, I think it's likely that he's going to be able to hold far more than the gems used to support a set of Shardplate.  

This has some interesting implications for the Plate too.  You can regenerate Shardplate by feeding more 'Light into it.  Would that mean that a Radiant holding enough Stormlight would have his Plate regrow around him?  I'd also suspect that it would just be all-around stronger, enhancing strength more, and taking more of a pounding to actually break, as a function of having more power, but that's mostly just a guess.  

I think along these same lines and agree with you whole-heatedly. 

The helmets disappeared and reappeared in one of Dalinar's visions.

 

Chapter 19 "Starfalls" pages 304 and 305

 

Szeth isn't a Windrunner and most likely gets his power from what you said. His power acts like a windrunner's however. I don't know how Kaladin could use plate powered by gemstones. One theory is that gemstones didn't power the Knight Radiant's plate. That would work.

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I would like to add that I do not think they were powered by gemstones, as when Dalinar saw them abandon the plate it fell a way and stopped glowing. I believe the gemstones were the looter's way of being able to use the plate as it would possible have been too heavy and ineffective without whatever "endowments" the Radiants used for power.

I am not sure he is Taln, but I am really looking forward to seeing what he has experienced after he was abandoned by his peers...also I strongly disagree with the premise that the bridge man was or is a herald.

The Hoid allusion to humans having the most reverence for the person doing something first, just prior to his arrival is an interesting item to examine as we speculate on who the person is, but I am really willing to wait a little longer for a couple of more pieces before I start speculating about the series.

It is interesting that everyone is speaking of Amaram as a misguided person, and I do not know what will happen if they meet, but the 2nd Ideal that Kaladin spoke was, I will protect those who cannot protect themselves". Amaram murdered men in front Kaladin who could not protect themselves in an act of greed. All of this eventually added up to Kaladin being who he is, but I do not believe Amaram is a victim of his misguided notions and I hope Kaladin does not see him in this manner. At best Kaladin should not kill him because it will endanger the lives of those he is responsible for now. 

I believe the request for "truth" would relate to the perspective of the person telling the truth, that she believes it is the truth and a secret was enough for the "strong" bond. I am also of the opinion she did in fact kill her father in the defense of her brother, but it is obvious from the subtext she may have already had a strong level of dislike for her father. Lastly, the scene from Shallan's flashback is obviously another murder scene...I say this because of the reference to her mother's body.

Both...I generally work abroad and learned a hard lesson when it was time to ship 2 years worth of reading home, so I switched to ebooks, but there is nothing like owning and preserving an epic tale as they were designed to be read ( with a glass of cognac, fire, and good cigar close by). I have all of his books on ebook, but I very much look forward to returning home and finding my other copies home on the shelf with the great artwork as it was meant to be rendered.

Thanks, was very happy to be afforded the opportunity to pick up a coupe of copies,

Hello everyone, I am new to 17th Shard...I was introduced to Mr. Sanderson's work when he took over TWoT and I promised myself that if he finished I would buy all of his books in triplicate. following through on that promise and I am glad I did... I am currently in Afghanistan and last night I was reading Book 2 of the Mistborn series and started laughing so hard that I had to pass 2 of my copies of book one to some of the other guys here.

"He ate my horse." CLASSIC, needless to say I am loving the story, thanks for humoring me and letting me get this out.

Hello, I am super new, but I am excited about a place to discuss TWoK...

I have read what everyone has to say on Dalinar, and it is obvious that he has a natural affinity for wearing the plate greater than other Shardbearers, but I will reserve my opinion until at least another book is out. I will reveal my hopes more than a theory...

I more associated this character with Jezrien, King of the Heralds, than any of the other characters thus far revealed, and the "charge" left to Dalinar by his brother to "Find the most important words a man can say." left me kind of wishing that Dalinar would be the "Founder" of the new order of KR.

Here is the radiant order/surge diagram and the part title pages.

Takeshi, that's an interesting point that the blades mirror the symmetrical nature of the ketek. I wonder what the significance of that is? Do the words of the ketek have something to do with the orders represented by each blade? Or maybe a relation to the characters in the part? Has there been much discussion about the ketek in the past?

Illuminating storms/storm's illumination certainly seems to fit with Dalinar's visions during highstorms. Above silence could represent Kaladin's will to protect others around him rather than simply remain silent. I'm not sure about silence above though. Or Dying in Part 3. That's a bit vague... although, to take a wild guess, Part 3 deals with Shallan, who is in Karbranth, where Taravangian is doing his research involving a lot of death. Also, if that image is Chach's blade, Dying does fit with Chach's body focus: the soul.

I would think that Kaladin would have a lot more to do with the storms here...and the silence above could very well relate him also, but the illuminating storms as a deposit of knowledge sounds good and fitting for Dalinar as you propose

"CHILD OF TANAVAST, CHILD OF HONOR. CHILD OF ONE LONG SINCE DEPARTED" Perhaps the absence of Tanavast is the cause of the the Silence above, or there is some correlation between his absence and the inability of men to ride the storms in his absence, that cause the silence. However the quote falls under the part of the book entitled "Dying" so I could be completely wrong. I just gained the understanding that the Ketek and the book separation are tied together so I may need to go back and revise my entire thoughts on it.

I have to agree, and thanks for the look to the book breakdown...without it, well lets just say I was doing my own thing...

Above silence/the illuminating storms/dying storms/illuminate/the silence above, but I certainly agree that you have this dead on.

Interesting. It strengthens my opinion that the ancient drawing Jasnah has of a Chasmfiend with the caption "Voidbringer" is misleading. Chasmfiends aren't nice by any means, but it doesn't seem like they're sentient, i.e. they have no true malicious intent, and they won't get any meaner or bigger either if this is their final stage of growth. Seems to me, they're just an animal with a particularly valuable organ.

I would have to agree completely...the particular drawing strikes me more as a historical inaccuracy, in that some Chasmfiend possibly wondered into a populated area and the residents had no other name to relate to a monstrosity of that size other than the term Voidbringer during that particular time period. It is consistent with the "they are myths" and "OMG they are real...protect us from the Voidbringers!" train of thought people experience.