The Skybreakers

32 minutes ago, Esane said:

Radiant weapons can turn into litteraly ANY WEAPON OR TOOL that you want.

I mean

OB spolier:

On 23/04/2020 at 0:30 PM, Goatbringer said:

15 minutes ago, Necessary Eagle said:

I was literally just wondering where your wife was up to yesterday. 

Spooky-spook, huh? I wonder if the name will change in OB...

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Damnation-spook?

 

4 hours ago, Harbour said:

 

There is also an obvious subtext - Kaladin is all about Stormfather and Honor. Stormblessed nickname is symbolic there.

I agree- it can't be a coincidence that Kaladin got the same nickname twice, in completely different places, and after his old friends had died

2 hours ago, robardin said:

I think it's similar to how Syl described the dead spren Shardblades needing to "sync to a heartbeat" in order to "live a little again" to be able to be dismissed and summoned from mist (crossing the Cognitive/Physical Realm boundary). Tanavast the Vessel of Honor is dead, and Honor the Shard is dead and Splintered... But a large enough piece remains with the Stormfather that a "remnant of Honor" can be synced with.

Ooh- do you think dalinar could "revive" honours remnants, so that *someone* can ascend, and then they can trap Odium again...

I always imagined he was angry at the Storm father, well, scared, kinda, because while he knew the stormfather existed, he never knew he could do this- 

Tbh this theory is looking pretty fragile after reading the others

10 hours ago, Negative_Null said:

I'm thinking more of being able to protect them from Odium. I don't know exactly how much power he has over them, but Venli was terrified of him until Tambre was there to protect her

Interesting,

Though I don't see an instance where the radiants will be there for the singers... Kaladin helped them for a few weeks and he couldn't protect elhokar because of it- the other radiants may decide, or be advised, to stay away from all that so they can keep their goal in mind.

and not break down in the middle of battle

1 hour ago, Negative_Null said:

Brandon is definitely headed towards a unification of Singer and Human (although considering how wrong I've been about other plot twists, maybe ignore me). Venli will be a key piece of it somehow, but unless she or Dalinar can somehow extend protection to other Singers, any kind of underground singer rebellion will not go very well

I agree. I can imagine though, radiants slowly influencing the singers, and then when it comes to a battle they announce that they will give freedom to any singer who joins them.

It'd have to be done in a way that the singers wouldn't know they were being influenced, or that they even feel like joining the alethi. It'd have to be like a split second decision as they decide that the alethi guarantee freedom far more

I can imagine spren would build a city there, as in the Cognitive Realm, oathgates are two giant spren. It'd be hard to lose 20 giant spren on 10 big platforms...

Though how do they fit? I envision the oathgates as bigger than they are in the Physical Realm... So would you see 1 huge platform, with the spren at different points?

So Brandon Sanderson is definitely going to go into detail with this.

At the end of OB, the standing of all (big) kingdoms and alethkar includes:

Azish- in the coalition, but not fully until they can trust the alethi to keep their armies

Thaylens- greatful to the alethi for saving their city, but Fen may or may not be bitter about it. I can see the thaylens and the alethi presenting a unified front in any political battles coming.

Vedens- ..hard to say... Dalinar won't trust Taravangian as much, given adolins (correct) suggestion that he's with odium. Given that the veden government (as we've seen so far ) are massively influenced by the followers of the diagram, who work for odium.

The shin- no idea. They happen to be a corrupted government so...

My prediction is that instantly the coalition will begin planning a new place to attack, as the voidbringers have lost their momentum, and are regrouping the coalition have a perfect chance to grab a kingdom (alethkar?) Afterwards they will start stabilising the coalition.  dalinar and alethkar would become sperate. Jasnah will simply not let him take any of her power... Not agressively... Just... Jasnah like.... Dalinar will now represent the Radiants, talking on their behalf, not the behalf of the kingdom, where alethkar's next action is depends on if kholinar gets taken back.

The major factions in the coalition I can predict are azir's faction - opposing dalinar and the Radiants but still wanting the benefit of the world (probably the Makabaki kingdoms and azir in this one)

And of course dalinar's faction, support of the Radiants, and of course wanting the benefit of the world. (Alethkar and thaylena, as one of them has a radiant at its head, who happens to be related to dalinar)

It's hard to say where Jah keved will stand in all this... But I'm guessing somewhere in between the two

I doubt that  Szeth will try that hard to clear his name, except to say that it was another life

38 minutes ago, king of nowhere said:

 this option should be added to the poll, because it's not the same as "no, adolin should stay as he is"

I would add it, but as people can't change their answers, the poll would be unfair

Currently most people seem to want a non-radiant main character, but personally I'd prefer him to be one, or something close.

Um... Well... I seem to have become a windrunner... 

On 08/01/2020 at 8:30 PM, Tglassy said:

Am I the only person on this forum that WANTS Adolin to become an Edgedancer?

To be honest, I don't really want adolin to become a wholesale radiant, it's just good to have a main character that doesn't have powers for once, though I'm still in for anything such as fixing mayalarin and maybe gaining 1st ideal powers of an edge dancer..

Though yeah I'll be happy either way

So it's mentioned that Odium is on braze. Braze being the planet next furthest from the Rosharan star. It is also mentioned odium is trapped in bonds he cannot break. The problem is that Odium can't use his full power with these bonds. Odium is definitely very powerful - enough to shatter Honour and send cultivation into hiding- but how much exactly can he do? He maintains much power with his army, and can still appear like he is on (planet) Roshar

Once again, if this discussion happened before please enter a link

I have to say, this is of course personal preference

Though the difference in battle strategy is windrunners are very much scouts (adhesion and gravitation) , while Skybreakers (having division as well as gravitation) 

Now comes to the oaths, we can all agree that the Skybreakers imitate nale, who is -or was- justice. The Skybreakers follow an external code, no matter how fundimentally flawed. The windrunners imitate jezrien himself, the king of heralds. How this works in differencr to the other orders, who follow their leaders personalities, the windrunners are not leaders or kings, but rather scouts as I mentioned earlier. The windrunners, follow their own code, what they think is right, which can also be flawed, as nale said himself that men are flawed. There may actually be some kind of moral clash between Kaladin and Szeth later on. 

Though I am a fan of the Skybreakers (hence the username) there isn't really a better option

15 minutes ago, Honorless said:

Breaths are Endowment's Investiture while Stormlight is Honor's. The Shards' Investiture have qualitative differences, in these specific cases we have the WoBs given below:

 

As to your question, just like the Fused were once Parshendi/Dawnsingers/Singers/Listeners, it is theorised that the Unmade were once spren, Corrupted by Odium. Another quote to consider is in Oathbringer, as said by Sja-Anat "we were made, then unmade"

Thanks

25 minutes ago, The Skybreakers said:

 

Thanks, though in Warbreaker 'vasher' a specifies that they do not know much of breath, and I know other theories that stormlight is simply hundreds of breaths, maybe in Warbreaker if someone was to reach (X) heightening they may somehow find the ability to soulcast. This theory wa powered by how Nightblood still consumed stormlight but (it seems to be) a slower rate

Though that's a wierd idea, my point is that anything relating to breaths we can't be entirely sure about, as they don't know about breaths themselves, in Warbreaker they also find that the returned Are also unknown to them. Though I do not know much of past conversations so I can't be entirely sure this hasnt already been disproved.

23 minutes ago, Quantus said:

I entirely think it's similar principles, but not literally Hemalurgy (unless or until we see actual Spikes in one of them).  I see it as the same category as Heralds being a whole lot Like  a Returned, but not literally having a Divine Breath of Endowment.  

In the case of Roshar, My best guess is that they are similar in concept to the Fused where he took something preexisting (probably Living PR entity rather than a spren) and used them as Raw materials to create something new.  In the case of the Fused they are spren-like ghosts with varying but specific Modifications to grant Powers (the Thundercasts are probably the largest amount of rework), and my guess it that the UnMade were simply taken apart and reconfigured to a much greater degree.  

I was rereading today and found something strange in the book.

at the part when Shallan fights off the unmade Re-Shephir she theorises that the unmade was searching for something it lost.

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"it made Shallan wonder if Re-Shephir wasn't merely trying to understand humankind, but rather searching for something it itself had lost ".    

Now this matches close to how the inquisitors and koloss where described. Trying to find what they had lost in themselves. I'm not too sure why this would be of massive importance, but it suggests odium - or another being on roshar - knows how to use Hemulargy. This could lead on to something In future on roshar, though I can't yet figure it out

Thanks, this has been really helpful

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If it was me I would probably choose Azir , I would chose a vorin nation but their restrictions on men reading are too much

Note: I am a bit new to this, if there was already a discussion on this please send a link

So I was re-reading Oathbringer today and had a sudden realisation that we dont know all of the Orders Surges. all we really know are the surges of those in the book, and we dont know some of the second surges (eg. Lightweaver has the surges of Illusion and Transformation, but what about Dustbringers?)

What I have been able to peice together (Note: I did this earlier in like 15 mins, so If you see something wrong please tell me)

• Windrunner: Surges of Gravitation and -(Not sure)
• Lightweaver: Surges of Illumination and Transformation
• Edgedancer: Surges of Transportation and -(Not sure)
• Dustbringer: Surges of Division and -(Not sure)
• Skybreaker: Surges of Gravitation and Division
• Bondsmith: Do they even have surges? are they just all of them?

So basically any theories, etc.?

Also if someone has all of the Orders Glyphs that would be great

Um... hi?