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1 hour ago, Matrim's_Dice said:

l got Windrunner (75%), Edgedancer (74%) and Skybreaker (70%) which surprised me. Any one else get those 3?

Mine were close, my other one was Truthwatcher, with Skybreaker as 4

percents varied from yours though. I tied the top with Windrunner and Truthwatcher 

I’m not sure what to ‘vote’ for, as I tied at 69% with Truthwatcher and Windrunner

I tied:

Truthwatcher and Windrunner both at 69%

Edgedancer at 65%
 

Skybreaker at 62%
 

I love how we now have more ideas on the other orders

5 hours ago, ILuvHats said:

 

3. The oaths are devised by the heralds, with each one developing the oaths for one order, making ten orders in total

I don’t think it worked quite like that. I’ll base my argument that Nale took a long time to accept the Skybreakers at all. They were a fully functioning order before he came around to them.

I love this map, and the way you’ve marked it up.
 

I have wondered about the second spren. The description in Oathbringer made it seem very similar to the Inkspren. Almost like a white version of it.

“One mother-of-pearl, the other black with a variegated oily shimmer.”

Your guess is as good as mine.

What jumped out at me is that Urithiru doesn’t fall exactly at the convergence. Either the map isn’t 100% accurate, or that’s an interesting occurrence 

I love this map, and the way you’ve marked it up.
 

I have wondered about the second spren. The description in Oathbringer made it seem very similar to the Inkspren. Almost like a white version of it.

“One mother-of-pearl, the other black with a variegated oily shimmer.”

Your guess is as good as mine.

What jumped out at me is that Urithiru doesn’t fall exactly at the convergence. Either the map isn’t 100% accurate, or that’s an interesting occurrence 

Brutally honest answer: No idea.

You could be right, I suspect partially right. The giant question mark is at the heart of your theory, “How does Voidbinding work?”. We really don’t know yet, in fact have only really gotten to see Voidbinding on a superficial layer. Until we see under the hood, as we have with Surgebinding (yes, there’s more to learn), we can’t be certain of any of it.

For example, what is the source of Voidlight? I can’t find where you cover this, and I don’t think you do. Sure maybe BAM can supply Voidlight to squires a la the way Surgebinders can, but where does BAM get Voidlight?

The ‘Voidstorm’ is new. Yes, that’s not it’s name, but it illustrates the point. The Everstorm can not have been the source for the Desolations.

My initial response to all this is that it’s going to be a long nine months of waiting for Rhythm. We need more information, and if Oathbringer is any kind of indication, we are in for a doozy of a book. Can’t hardly wait.

27 minutes ago, Karger said:

I think far too much attention is put on what the ancient Windrunners did in terms of their stereotypical profession as "scouts." 

I agree entirely. Two things in particular that people don’t seem to keep track of.

1) They are the most numerous, and martial, Order (except for the Stonewards on the martial side, I think) and constitute a major part of the ‘Army’ of the Knights.

2) They would be leading armies of non-Knights, much like Kal does in Kholinar

5 hours ago, ILuvHats said:

I’ve been ninja’d multiple times, but I’ve spent a lot of time on this, so I’ll post it anyways. Here’s my perception of the ideological differences between Windrunners and Skybreakers.

At the beginning of their oaths, Windrunners are focused purely on protecting others. People’s well-being and safety are what matter above all else, even if they don’t deserve it in the Windrunner’s opinion. This is a huge difference between the Skybreakers and the Windrunners. Notice that the Windrunner’s don’t care about fairness, whether or not somebody deserves to be saved. Their ideology is that everyone is worth saving, including  their enemies. Reconciling this belief with the belief that some people need to be opposed and fought against is a core part of their journey. Another part of a Windrunners journey is learning how to let others fend for themselves and let go of some of the responsibility they feel for everyone.

The Skybreakers, meanwhile, focus on justice, which to them means punishing those who’ve done wrong in order to protect those who are innocent. Unlike the Windrunners, they don’t believe everyone deserves protection. There are those who do harm, and they must be stopped in order to protect those who are innocent. Skybreakers begin with the ideology that the law is to be upheld above all else. Much like Nale, novice Skybreakers generally follow the law because they don’t trust in their own ability to determine what is right and wrong, and how severely different crimes must be punished. So, they look towards an external code, or law. Much of their journey is centered around becoming confident in their own ability to discern right and wrong and mete out justice. The 5th ideal, after all, is “I am the law.”

I really like your description of this, thanks for putting it together 

10 minutes ago, Gilphon said:

It's interesting to me that the Rysn Novella is apparently a higher priority to him than the Rock one. Like Aimia is real interesting and I'd love to learn more about, but I don't see it being as directly relevant to current storyline as Rock and the Horneater Peaks, and thus I would think that one would be the priority. 

Which suggests that maybe I'm wrong about Aimia not being directly relevant to RoW's storyline, which is exciting in it's own way.

I agree. When we very first heard about the three storylines, Aimia was briefly thrown around as an idea (including by myself) but also quickly discarded. Not that this proves that Aimia will be a focus of Rhythm, but shows that it’s more important than we realized

Another potential implication of this decision, I think, is that Rock could very well be a Bondsmith. I had him pegged more on the Stoneward side, but his story being saved for the spot that was a Bondsmith book makes me think that’s likely

For what it’s worth, I think that there will be some serious Bondsmithing in Book 5, just like we got a major look under the hood of the Skybreakers in Oathbringer 

He made a comment in the replies about Rock’s story:

”It would still need to be written. There wasn't room for it in book four, and it wouldn't really fit thematically anyway. If I don't manage to do it as a novella between four and five, I think I can make it fit in five thematically, so we'll put it there”

Edit: I really wanted Rock’s story in the Horneater peaks. I respect his decision, but I’ll miss it

3 hours ago, equinox said:

Where do I find the information on the website? Seems I haven't visited for quite some time. New design... Hm.. (phew, I'm such a slave of habit ) 

If you’re on mobile it’s hard to find. Otherwise it shows right up.

You can always look on Reddit in r/stormlightarchive 

They keep track as well

15 minutes ago, Bigmikey357 said:

I like the idea of external progression based healing being different than internal stormlight based healing.  It would make sense and gives me hope for Rysn and her legs. Like if she picks up a Nahel bond or something.  

I agree with you quite a bit. I think we can point to the text of Oathbringer, though, where Dalinar is in Thaylen and ‘heals’ the temple

He has a time limit, before the stones begin to view themselves as separate, as opposed to part of the whole

Similarly, some people begin to accept certain wounds as parts of themselves. Kaladin and his brands, for instance 

If Rysn still hasn’t accepted her inability to walk as part of herself, it seems like she could be healed

I am rather partial to her becoming a Willshaper. She seems perfect for it to me

36 minutes ago, Edonidd said:

I do think he gets some radiant levels.  The more we see of him, the more "broken" he seems.  He is Kaladin's dad we know spren like to look in family trees for traits.  And his healing attitude and trying to save lives definitely seems like he would find some spren that approved. 

He may do this, but I am a little partial to a different theory (this one isn’t nice for Kaladin) where Lirin doesn’t make it out of Hearthstone

Basically, Kaladin takes the 4th, and saves the Mink and his mother and little brother, but the one he isn’t able to save is Lirin 

We’ll see, I could be wrong. But, I’m guessing him taking the 4th ideal is going to be a traumatic experience however it happens 

I theorized on here some time ago that “the Herdazian general” would be a Dustbringer.

I based that on a few things, and with the release of the first bit of Stormlight 4 today on the newsletter I’d like to revisit this theory

First: We have a physical description of the General in Oathbringer, from the perspective of an Alethi officer named Sheler.

“He had dark brown skin the color of a weathered stone, and there was a hint of grey in the thin mustache on his upper lip.”

This matches the description of the Mink as described in the newsletter exactly. Of course, we already knew that it’s the same man, but it’s worth documenting for this next remark by Sheler.

“Sheler struggled to no avail. Captured by Herdazians. Their general wasn’t even a lighteyes!”

So, the general is specifically mentioned as not being a light eye. Compare this with what Lirin notices:

“He bore a thin mustache on his upper lip, silvered to grey, and was perhaps in his fifties. His sun-leathered skin was darker than most Herdazians; he almost could have passed for Azish. His eyes were a cool, soft green.”

Notice the difference? Suddenly he has cool soft green eyes, when before he was most certainly not a light eyes.

The only ways to change eye color, that we know of, are to become a shard bearer or become a Knight Radiant

Also notice this phrase:

“We left obvious weapons behind,” the mink replied”

Obvious weapons... what’s less obvious than a Shardblade not summoned?

Now, based on this, I will theorize that he is Radiant. There’s nothing we can point at, yet, that proves beyond doubt that he is, but he is extremely slippery, as proved in Oathbringer. Also, as the Diagram says, look for those who live when they should not survive. (I’m paraphrasing that one, can’t find it on short notice)

Finally, I am revising the Order that I think the Mink belongs to. Based on the new color of his eyes. They are a cool green now. This leads me to think he is an Edgedancer. It matches both the eye color and potential Surge (if what he uses to escape his manacles is indeed a Surge)

TLDR: I think the Herdazian General (the Mink, an awesome nickname) is an Edgedancer

I’ve been doing some thinking recently, and I have a pretty wild theory about the Sibling. Here goes:

1: There are 9 Unmade, and there is an interesting tidbit we get from Sja Anat about their back story. Specifically, she was ‘First Made, then Unmade’... 

2: I am assuming that Odium DID NOT make Sja Anat and the others, but was involved in their corruption or Unmaking

3: We know via WOB that the Unmade kinda sorta line up with the Knight Orders, but are definitely missing Bondsmiths.

It’s a bit of a leap, but, what if the Sibling is not the true sibling of the Stormfather and the Nightwatcher? What if the Sibling is instead the only remaining uncorrupted ‘Made’?

For this to work, the Unmade would have to have been made by Andonalsium, and then corrupted by Odium

It would also explain why the Sibling began withdrawing, as a response to seeing the Knights bind their siblings.

I can’t prove it, but I like it a lot. It explains both why there are 9 Unmade (a very weird number on Roshar) and why the Voidbringers don’t have Bondsmiths

45 minutes ago, Rainier said:

Please no more comic relief. No Lopen, no young Lift, nothing like that.

I want to see the heavy hitters. I want to see Vasher, I want to see Moash, and I want to see Rock play more prominent roles. Mraize and the Ghostbloods, too. These are the kinds of characters that have mysteries and questions that need answering.

With the exception of Rock, I want as few POVs from everyone you listed as possible 

Partly to keep them mysterious, and in Moash’s case cause I can’t stand him

40 minutes ago, Winds Alight said:

Awesome, thanks for posting!

My pleasure! It seems to be one of my jobs to bring stuff said on Reddit over here, but I don’t mind 

I bet Book 1 is Team Urithiru, and Book 2 is Team Willshaper 

1 hour ago, Winds Alight said:

I believe it was on twitter.

Yeah, here:

 

Thanks!

17 minutes ago, Winds Alight said:

27% !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm really looking forward to the reddit update he announced a few days ago!

I missed that. Where was the announcement?

I like a lot of your ideas, especially “I will go where I am needed” for the Willshapers. 

I suspect the Stoneward one will remain largely the same, and I’m hoping we actually see it this next book

2 hours ago, Karger said:

I do wonder what Ishar's blade does though.  The bondsmith powers that come from there respective spren are amazingly powerful but the surges of tension and adhesion are fairly limited without all of the wired spiritual stuff.

I don’t remember specifically where it is in the books, but there are several mentions of how powerful Ishar is. He made the Orders, for crying out loud 

I don’t pretend to know how, but he could do some crazy stuff