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1 hour ago, Invocation said:

She was. Iri and Rira don't do the safehand thing, it's only Vorin areas that do.

Yep, and we see exactly hope the Vorin areas treat lefty women. They make them use their right hand to write/draw.

I was under the impression that Evi was left handed. Now I need to go find my books and reread the flashbacks about her trying to conform. 

3 minutes ago, Karger said:

I hate to digress but how do you see the Skybreakers?

As a whole, much like you described above.  Those on the 4th and 5th Ideal though I read as much less about order and more about their cause.

3 minutes ago, Karger said:

I did not mean to be insulting only to state my opinion.  In my understanding Skybreakers do not kill out of revenge but out of a desire to maintain order and they must follow the precepts of society while doing so.  I think a good example of a Skybreaker who fights in an unconventional way is batman.  Batman has a clear personal code(when portrayed correctly) and he fights to maintain societal order for the good of his city.  He does not kill those who threaten his city and when he does he makes sure that his motives are not personal but in service of the public good.  Also Nale himself calls the path of the Skybreaker "uncorrupted by sentiment" if I remember correctly which describes the opposite of Kel.  Szeth oath to cleans his homeland may seem to contradict this but I think to complete it to his spren's satisfaction he must learn to do so without hating those he judges.

I figured as much, I appreciate your clarification.  That isn't how I see Kel or the Skybreakers, but I can 100% see that as a way they could be read.

13 minutes ago, Karger said:

I think that is a baseless argument.  Kel does not have anything reassembling a code he lies, dissembles, and murders in pursuit of a goal not in an attempt to maintain order or justice.  Every order could kill under the right circumstances and we are talking about his personality not his powers.

I apparently read Kel very differently from you.  His driving goal is to rid the Final Empire of TLR and as many nobles as possible and set up a Skaa government.  Alternatively he is revenge personified on TLR for the events surrounding Mare and the Pits.

Below is a copy/past from the Coppermind on the 4th Ideal for a Skybreaker.

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This Ideal is also called the Ideal of Crusade, and requires that a Skybreaker undertake a personal quest and complete it to the satisfaction of their highspren.

As laid out above, this is my take on what he is doing.

Then we have the following note on the 5th Ideal for a Skybreaker.

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There is a disagreement among the order on whether this means that the Skybreaker swearing this oath can do anything, as they are an embodiment of the law, or if they need to not break any law to keep their oaths.

If we read that as Kel can use any method he chooses in his embodiment of law and truth (which must be a valid reading of the Ideal since there is a faction within the Skybreakers who reads it this way), then combined with the 4th Ideal information, we have exactly what I see in Kel.  He's an incredibly focused/driven individual who was initially aimed solely at removing TLR and the nobles from power and setting up a Skaa government.  

Now, if you'd like to offer something that contradicts anything I've stated above I'd love to read it.  The fact that many different people read Mr. Sanderson's work very differently is one of my favorite things about his writing.

Side note, the original question was "What KR Order Would Kelsier Be?"  I fail to read ANYTHING in there that says we are talking about his personality not his powers.  So uh, with all due respect, it kinda seems like your argument is the baseless one.  I realize it is the internet and all, but Storms, there is no need to throw insults around, especially on that unsound footing.

On 3/1/2019 at 8:34 PM, beantheboy12 said:

WHO THE STORMING HECK VOTED SKYBREAKER???

I did.  Kel follows his internal code with very few deviations and has ZERO issue killing people who run afoul of those ideals.  Sounds a lot like a skybreaker to me.  Oh and he can fly and destroy the #$%^ out of things.  Also skybreaker!

"Holding you brain hostage against your own stupidity- that was how to get stuff done."

20 minutes ago, Quantus said:

Welp...I think Im going to have to try grilling some Beef&Tuna patties tonight.  I'll report back if I survive

That sounds horrible...let us know how it turns out!

I have a local burger joint where you can have a ground shrimp patty burger.  I've often wondered what it would taste like to have one of those patties with a regular beef patty.  Now I think I might have to try it, for science!

On 2/18/2019 at 8:19 AM, Gasper said:

I think that what ever made Shinovar habitable for the Shin made it longer term uninhabitable for the rest of the humans. Which is why they left and attacked the Singers.

So are you theorizing the Shin are not human then?  

Not only the metal cost, but in order to make this idea remotely worth it, she'd have to be able to know with a really high degree of certainty that whatever her investment structure is has a high enough rate of return to outstrip inflation.  In our current (American) economic environment, putting money into a bank savings account and waiting 25 years will net you less effective money than you started with.  Plus everyone you know would have aged 25 years without you!