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51 minutes ago, Leyrann said:

What Ati nearly did, he said. I tihnk that the only possible "vendetta" is against Rayse, though I do also think Frost could be mistaken here.

I agree with this. It sounds more like him justifying why Rayse is so incredibly dangerous. We know from the letters Hoid mentions Ati was once a kind and generous man, whereas Rayse is a crafty and loathsome individual. I think this is more of the same, saying, 'Ati was a great guy and he nearly did something terrible. Rayse is clearly a problem we need to be dealing with!'

I also wonder if the thing or person that Hoid lost, such that he now has this vendetta, relates to his conversation in TWOK with Kaladin. He mentions two of his names - Topaz, named after a beautiful gem that became worthless by his wearing it, and Hoid, stolen from someone he should have loved.  

On 4/6/2018 at 8:53 PM, thegatorgirl00 said:

Envisagers- Try to kill yourself to become Knights. Worst plan ever.

I feel like the Envisagers get kind of a bad rap, their idea isn't THAT bad. They definitely go a little bit too far, but the basic plan is pretty much the Cosmere standard for how you manifest magical powers. Generally, you need to be broken and on Scadrial they do basically the same thing - they beat their kids half to death to see if they'll manifest allomancy. It obviously doesn't pan out well for team Envisager, but I feel like they're not that far away from a good plan.

9 hours ago, Khyrindor said:

Re Diagramists: I don't like the idea that he made the Diagram strictly from brain power. I really like the idea that Cultivation herself had a hand in creating the Diagram, and is using Taravangian as a pawn against Odium. If Odium begins trusting in the Diagram, Cultivation could have put in some flaw to catch and trap him.

Yeah I find it hard to believe that it was all brain power. Like they say in the podcast, Taravangian must've been incredibly well-informed to make all these logical leaps. Doesn't he predict that one of the Unmade is likely to betray Odium? How could he possibly have figured that out at the time of the Diagram's writing?