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4 hours ago, Winds Alight said:

I just read the part where Kelsier fights the Inquisitor and then meets the Lord Ruler. During my break at work and I have to wait a few hours until I get home and can read the rest. I mean, I already read the book and I knew what was coming, but I still didn't like it.

The most epic one of them all! I don't know about you but my lasting impression of this part is always that it is perfect for cinema. Hell, when reading it again I was amazed of how short it actually was in comparison to my memory of it. It's just so well written that my brain burnt the entire scene into my mind with Hollywood details.

Just finished reread of Era 1 myself, moving onto Era 2 for the wild wild west humor of it  My initial motivation was Wax&Wayne 4, then read State of Sanderson 2018 and slumped a bit (2020-2021, like.. really?!)

I have to say that for a second read it was such a treat. All the tibids of information and crafty wording that you notice right from book one. Everything placed in order to get just enough foreshadowing for events at the end of trilogy - that's craftsmanship.

On 8.01.2019 at 3:02 PM, Quantus said:

That's what the "lynchpin spike" is for, without it his spiritweb would start to unravel from all the splicing, but it serves to hold things together. 

Still, wasn't it stated in the books somewhere that not only did the spikes make you susceptible to external influence (Ruin) but also progressively more mentally unstable? Unless it's just Ruin whispering in the inquisitors' ears all these years

Let's forget the powers he has. Even with Ruin gone and Sazed in power, giving a bit of mental stability, shouldn't Marsh go bonkers from the sheer amount of holes and patches in his spiritweb? Or was it mentioned somewhere that he got similar treatment as Spook did at the end of TFE? With so many spikes I'm inclined to believe most of the things he did in 300 years

So I began this as a 'Question for Brandon' but it went a bit farther in the imagining part than the  actual question. Well, here we go:

Can you transfer stored features from one feruchemical mind directly to another or is there always an aspect that will get lost (be it minor)?

Coming at it from the practical/economical side of era 3, when metalic arts get fully monetized:

* You carry around rings instead of bulks of metal and transfer them to a bigger mind of your own (savings) or to an unlocked one upon selling (profit)

* You need to appear non-descript so you transfer as much as possible to minimal metal elements that won't sell you out as a feruchemist straight away (on the other hand if we're in era 3 they probably already have invested metal scanners)

Have we ever received quantitive data on the storing abilities of metals? Like how much memory could be put in a gram of copper etc? I've seen it referenced in the two first books of the series (the limitations) but none of the characters has ever gone deeper into the topic..

Can you transfer stored features from one feruchemical mind directly to another or is there always an aspect that will get lost (be it minor)?

Comming at it from the practical/economic side of era 3 when metaiic arts get fully monetized:

* You carry around rings instead of bulks of metal and transfer them to a bigger mind of your own (savings) or to an unlocked one upon selling (profit)

* You need to appear non-descript so you transfer as much as possible to minimal metal elements - have we ever received quantative data on the storing abilities of metals? Like how much memory could be put in a gram of copper etc?

Just now, Quantus said:

True, though I'd think that just means that you'd need some element of Surprise, which is always going to be the case; the actual method of destruction is still viable.

So lets talk Dor Traps:  Scribe the Aon onto a piece of Aluminum and thus set a trap they cannot detect? 

 

 

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Won't the aluminum make the Dor useless? It's a sink for all forms of investiture.

Yeah, sane might've been an overstatement. Mentally fit for action? I guess spending a millennium with Ruin whispering into your ear is also a factor we should consider when discussing how he got killed.

2 minutes ago, SwordNimiForPresident said:

I think a fullborn could probably avoid the attack or simply kill the Elantrian before they finished drawing the Aon. Compounded zinc and steel would let you live in a world where everything moves in slow motion. You wouldn’t even be able to kill them in their sleep because they are compounding bronze which would likely also allow them to feel the Aon the second the Elantrians fingers stabbed the air.

Sleep? What sleep? You're compounding bronze with no need for sleep! Consider how boring you'd find the world if you were constantly in a Zinc/Steel bubble. Rashek, even with his wealth and position (infinite supply of metals), didn't do that. He needed the people around to stay sane I'd say.

Sorry but I have to disagree. Quoting Ars Arcanum from Bands of Mourning you get the exact same wording as for duralumin and Nicrosil:

Nicrosil: Nicroburst Mistings who burn nicrosil while touching another Allomancer will instantly burn away any metals being burned by that Allomancer, releasing an enormous (and perhaps unexpected) burst of those metals' powers within the Allomancer.

While Chromium speaks of "wiping". I know that Khriss may be biased in her descriptions but if not proven otherwise I'd count Nicrosil as Duralumin external counterpart (as stated in Coppermind). I know that it sounds more alike to Chromium (with flipped effect) but these are current descriptions.

We can argue on this all night long but as you said - sounds like canon use/clarification is needed.. I'd still rather learn if aluminium could work the way I described or would it just be a bust..

1 hour ago, Ookla the Gralsritter said:

Welcome to the Shard!

Two issues with trying to Nicroburst reserves away: First, it only works on allomancy and requires the target to be actively burning metals so that the effect knows which metals to enhance. A gold compounder who's only tapping stored health isn't going to trigger the effect and you're not going to do anything to their metalminds. Also, we know that a Leecher can run out of their metal before their target runs out of theirs so this should hold true with the opposite case where someone trying to Nicroburst an allomancer into running out of metal runs out of duralumin before the other party runs out of their metal.

Second, even if you Nicrobursted someone actively using A-Gold, it's not an 'ultimate' version of you, you're just seeing the entire effect much faster. Given how nobody seems to use a lot of gold at once it's probably not going to be that different from an ordinary use of A-Gold and would only be uncomfortable if the person actually tried touching their gold shadow.

Was basing my theory off Miles Dagouter, who if I recall correctly, constantly tapped gold allomantically to further increase his feruchemical reserves (and later due to the body's addiction?). Second, unlike the leecher, effect of nicrosil misting is immidiate and uncontrolled (insta-boost like duraluminium) so it's also unlikely the reserve in you would get correctly compounded and converted to feruchemical charge if you were wearing some extra gold on you (since all the gold in your system gets wiped).

Thing with Nicrobursts is you don't expect them to be used offensively against the other side due to unforseen ramifications when they flare the enemy. But the grenade kinda offsets that by keeping the misting hidden/supporting his side when needed.

The boosted gold shadow was just an extra point. Your argument that nobody ever tries to flare A-gold is exactly the reason I'd look for odd behavior But that requires some canonized answers. Similar to how Elend using dura-atium was described as all-knowing chessmaster in one of WoB (I'm paraphrasing now), it could go pretty crazy with the gold.

Why overcomplicate. Depending on WoB either a Nicroburst or Aluminium Grenade to use the weakness that compounder puts on himself - storing most of the reserves in his body for constant multiplication.. Not sure how/whether the Aluminium grenade would work - will it extend the effect on any allomancer around?

If it's nicroburst you get the extra effect of mental instability in the target - how well can you handle the "ultimate" alternate version of you?