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43 minutes ago, krmdzinklmfl said:

The new cough that everyone's been getting has been cooked up by Cultivation, and has permanently done something to the humans on Roshar. (unless it's a shoehorned reference to COVID, in very poor taste)

The new cough is the common cold. Not native to Roshar, but brought by the 17th Sharders from Ishik's interlude in Way of Kings

33 minutes ago, Valigus said:

Forgot that, so yeah it probably isn’t kaladin but swords can be replaced and it just seems to much of a coincidence to me and Brandon has set up stuff like this before so i still think it possible

Yes, but remember this is Harmony saying he needs a sword right before (if my understanding of the timeline is correct) he starts making one in Wax

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“I’m not Harmony’s hands,” Wax whispered. “I’m His sword.”

 

I feel like this has been weighed in on a bit already

Have you finished the book?

28 minutes ago, Hulaine said:

 

As in, the Spren chilling outside of Lasting Integrity? I kinda lost track (and the interactive map doesn't have Lasting Integrity in it) of whether this was in the same place as Dalinar and co. were attacking in the real world, but if it is that'd make a lot of sense! 

They do seem to be lining up well with each other on the maps. Ishar's army does seem to be just north of Lasting Integrity if you line up the maps

Well, looks like this was on accident

8 minutes ago, Samrat said:

Was Meleshi bonded to the Sibling??

Maybe. Probably. Yeah, I think so. 

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There is … a third sibling. They are not with us.

“In hiding?”

No. Slumbering.

“Tell me more.”

No.

“But—”

No! Leave them alone. You hurt them enough.

I'm thinking this one is a coincidence. This is one of those I doubt we would be discussing, or even remarking on, if we weren't reading this one chapter a week

5 minutes ago, Awakened Cremling said:

I believe the Fused could be seen as "gods" or at the least Gavilar would have mistakenly thought of them as such. Since it is Gavilar that used that term here I think it is his perception that matters. In other words I think a Fused is another legitimate 3rd option.

This seems the best theory. Gavilar knew things. Was having visions. Knew of the Everstorm. And was specifically speaking to Eshonai about the return of the Parshendi gods, which he specifically calls out his own understanding of what their gods are and not what the Alethi think them to be

3 minutes ago, Infinitysliver said:

ok referring to this,how much investiture is required to cause such a warping though. Cause Nightblood is continously referred to as the most heavily invested object in the cosmere and thre have been records of time dilation near it. The only things more invested are Shards,although i guess "object" could refer to non living things?

I'm guessing it has to do with the types of Invested entities Vasher has categorized. The cognitive dilation might be a result of a powerful enough Type One entity

28 minutes ago, Karger said:

I believe it is confirmed that time dilation was happening.  L and A from the OB reread think of it as a given and they can talk to Brandon directly.

I just went back and read the section of the reread. They call it time dilation, and they call it weird. But that's all they addressed on the subject. 

10 minutes ago, Lightspine said:

I believe this WoB might explain some of it:

The time dilation might just be from the fact that there are 3 Unmade (Ahsertmarn, Sja-anat, and Yelig-nar) residing in the Kholinar palace. That's a truckload of investure if I've ever seen it. It's possible that only Ashertmarn is actually dilating time though, since their massive form is what the group see in Shadesmar.

Anyway, somehow Brando Sando seems to be saying that the investure could cause time dilation in either the Spiritual or Cognitive Realms rather than the Physical. Cognitive Realm time dilation would completely explain why the occupants of the palace experienced less time mentally. But I don't know about the weird clash between the physical aging and the lack of food. We've seen in other cases such as (Spoilers for TFE)

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Rashek's immediate aging when he's deprived of his metalminds

that your spiritweb "knows" your true age. Personally, I think the time dilation must be exclusively in the Cognitive because the Spiritual Realm is already kind of devoid of time so time dilation there... doesn't make sense? Therefore, maybe the aging is from spiritual aging? But then what about Gavinor?

Uh, I thought the WoB might help clear things up but nevermind, everything still seems messy to me.

That does help. Tremendously. 

There are some odd references throughout OB and maybe others to time having no meaning. All in the presence of the Unmade. Shallan at the revel. Dalinar marching back from being ambushed. Cognitive dilation makes more sense than the other options

10 minutes ago, Awakened Cremling said:

Sorry if this was already mentioned, haven't read all the discussion yet, but I think Gav is small "for his age" because of the strange time dilation that was going on in the palace. Like the freed "loyalists" who were shocked when they found out how much time had passed.

After a quick re-read of that section, I don't think that's it. The loyalists thought it had been a short period of time because of the fact they'd only been fed 3 times. However, Adolin notes to himself that they have beards that seem to indicate weeks trapped. They were still aging at the seeming normal length, but their own perception of it was distorted

5 minutes ago, Karger said:

In theory you should be able to drain NB.  In practice that ain't happening.

In Soviet Russia, Nightblood drains you

3 minutes ago, Awakened Cremling said:

Sorry if this was already mentioned, haven't read all the discussion yet, but I think Gav is small "for his age" because of the strange time dilation that was going on in the palace. Like the freed "loyalists" who were shocked when they found out how much time had passed.

There really was some weirdness going on in that palace that never got fully explained. Well, time to re-read it again

3 minutes ago, Karger said:

Apparently yes.  It turns out that I was completely wrong.

It's so strange to find people willing to say that on the internet

6 minutes ago, the_archduke said:

Gavilar also said something to the effect that with the right gem you could hold a god... I think that was to Eshonai but I am AFB right now.

“My ancestors,” he said, holding up the fabrial, “first learned how to hold a spren inside a gemstone. And with a very special gemstone, you can hold even a god.”

During the prologue

Just now, Karger said:

Welcome to the shard.

Thanks. I don't mean to join the conversation to be purely pedantic. However, didn't we get all of part one of OB as previews too? 19 chapters also lines up with the rest of the release schedule

23 minutes ago, Karger said:

That would be a VERY short part 1.

WoK was 11 chapters. WoR was 12. OB is the odd one out here