Elsvette Mintyfresh

Like a lot of other people, for me, it was the moment she said "like white on black." I'm fairly certain Vasher said that exact phrase to Dalinar in part one. 

Wow, I cannot keep up with everyone else in this thread! 

I'll admit that Shalladin was the first ship I ever felt actually invested in. Usually, I'm more than happy to let the narrative take the characters where it will. The fact that I felt invested from the moment Kaladin and Shallan meet in WOR tells me that there was something real there. 

That said, I went into OB ready to be convinced that Shadolin was the better route, if that was where BS wanted to take his story... but, well, obviously I'm still unconvinced. I'm just so glad to know I'm not alone. 

And,  @PhineasGage, I'm looking forward to your fanfic.

I feel like he was already saying the fourth ideal when he told Elhokar, "Be a hero to the one you can save." He just isn't ready to take his own advice. 

I feel like I'm close to jumping aboard the Kalazure ship.

In any case, I just want Kaladin to find happiness.

So, if the larkin's maturation is dependant on how much investiture it consumes, if Dalinar summoned Honor's perpendicularity for Chirri-chirri, would Rysn suddenly have herself a full grown pet Lanceryn? If she trained him to only drain the Fused, seems like a handy pet to have during a Desolation.

Why not both?

It seems very likey that Ishar is both insane and working for Odium.

For me, it was definitely Elhokar. I gasped out loud.

He was just beginning to become likeable and competent. On top of that, he died at the hands of Moash, who he'd barely escaped just a few months earlier. He was about 3 words away from saving himself. And, most appallingly, Kaladin, who had been an unstoppable force mere moments ago, suddenly came down with a nervous breakdown and just sat there and watched! Finally, his son was just snatched away again and the entire city fell. It was a perfect storm of horribleness.

2 hours ago, Starla said:

 I also hope I come around on Shallan, but at this point I’m not feeling her, which makes me sad. 

I'm with you here. After WOR, Shallan was my favorite character. I related to her a lot. Now, I'm just so disappointed in her.

On the bright side, tho, I was pretty meh on Adolin after WOR, but he grew on me a lot in this book. 

I hope we will get to know some of the juicy truths that Hoid will tell his new spren.

I think perhaps the Fused are looking for Sja-Anat. Odium must know by this point that she's a traitor, right?

2 minutes ago, RShara said:

Well, as a newly minted internet-expert*, it seems that being able to communicate with your alters, instead of them just taking over, and recognizing when they *do* take over, is an important step toward re-integration.

 

*Heavy sarcasm here, just spent a few minutes on the google lol

I saw your google-fu after posting that last comment. As I'm not even an expert of the internet variety, I'll concede that maybe it is progress. Only another 3 years until we all know for sure!

10 minutes ago, RShara said:

Staying Shallan, while being able to draw on Veil and Radiant's abilities and knowledge (even vocally or with mental words), I think is actually a sign of progress. 

 

It also reminds me of Brandon's other series, Legion.  He seems to have researched Dissociative Personality Disorder quite extensively.

I, too, was reminded of Legion. I disagree on whether that comparison means progress for Shallan, though. I don't recall the Legion series as portraying Stephen as of particularly sound mind.

Perhaps the Sibling is the spren of Urithiru itself?

8 minutes ago, RShara said:

I think that has more to do with the pressure of the Ghostbloods' threat, the Unmade stalking the halls, the Everstorm, the need for Radiants, and the expectations of Jasnah, than because of Adolin's presence.

But she was fracturing herself even further before her brothers arrived. She was checking out her dress in the mirror, chit-chatting with Veil and Radiant as though they were her bridesmaids. This was something she had never done before. They had always been different faces that she wore; they didn't exist independently. Now they hang out, sip wine, and talk about boys.

EDIT - I misread you as saying the letter from Mraize was at fault for her worsening, but I see you actually meant the Ghostbloods in general.

I agree with everyone saying that Timbre is Captain Ico's daughter. The textual clues seem pretty clear.

I really liked Timbre and how she spoke only in Listener rhythms. I'm excited to see her and Venli develop in future books.

Captain Ico said his daughter went off to "chase dreams." Was bonding a Listener, specifically, that dream? If so, I want to know what caused her pursue that. She must be a relatively young spren, so she wouldn't remember the days before humans. What stories did she hear and from whom? Will there be other spren like her pursuing Listeners?

I also have to say, I felt a little cheated. Didn't Brandon promise Shalladin "moments"? I felt like they never had any. I was pretty excited when they were planning to fly to Thaylena together. I was interested to see how they'd interact while alone again, especially as it was after her finally knowing the truth about Heleran. And then it was just sort of skipped?

Throughout OB they barely interacted with each other onscreen. Their entire relationship, such as it was, was played out entirely within their separate heads.

47 minutes ago, Naerin said:

Let's face it, BS uses weddings to close-out romantic arcs. If he decides to do something different with Shallan/Adolin it will literally be a first. I would be thrilled if this happened, because as I've mentioned I don't like how this arc was handled, but I'd be surprised.  

On this note, as well, I recall that Brandon said somewhere that the KSA triangle was meant to mirror something else - which I read as the Gavilar-Navani-Dalinar triangle. Sure, Navani and Gavilar failed due to death (which could be Adolin's fate, but I hope not), but, obviously, that triangle had a different resolution many decades later. 

What this really makes me wonder, though, what was Navani's logic for marrying Gavilar? I mean, aside from Dalinar's apparently scary intensity. Does it mirror Shallan's in any way?

Hi everyone! 

I've lurked these boards for a few years now. I'm finally coming out of the shadows, mostly so I can give out upvotes.