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I think ishar put them into something similar to a spiritual realm vision. Where time slows drastically for them.

On 12/9/2024 at 10:04 PM, coolsnow7 said:

This was always the other interpretation. I think WaT lends some support to this theory.

Alternatively, Cultivation did play a role in his death, but was so subtle about it that he never found out. Certainly it was clear that their intents were opposed, and her intent was opposed to how things were going on Roshar.

That said, we got so much wrong leading up to WaT that I don’t even want to bother trying to figure this out until we have Book 9 in hand. As it is, we’ll be waiting a decade before we even start getting answers to any of the questions we have after this book. 

I think Cultivation played a role in Honor's death and setup him up to break his oath. Cultivation wanted off the planet and away from her Ex.

1 minute ago, RedBlue said:

The fact that different countries made different bargains with Odium suggests to me that they will be governed differently. Governments that negotiated with Odium will continue to rule, but as subordinates who take orders from Retribution. Countries that were conquered will have Retribution’s agents — presumably Fused — installed as a new government.

I think countries that negotiated protections for their citizens will become centres of industry, to support the war machine, while everywhere else will focus on raising and training armies. A small problem Retribution has is that he has nobody to attack for ‘training’ purposes. To build up his armies’ experience, he may have to find or invent an enemy so that he can prosecute a low-stakes campaign against it.

And I think the storm is permanent in areas that belong to him. There’s a reason it’s called the ‘Night of Sorrows.’ Retribution will want a constant, oppressive reminder of his dominance so he can wear people down psychologically. It’s the same with making them ask him for Light — it’s psychological warfare against his own people, making sure they feel dependent on him.

Dalinar talks about the first steps of training Retributions army. He said they would do isolated attacks on other planets to train their troops.

On 11/28/2024 at 3:55 PM, teknopathetic said:

In Rhythm of War, one of the underrated developments was Venli discovering Cultivation and Odium's merged Rhythm of "Freedom" [not exactly the name but this is as close as Venli gets]

 

In Winds and Truth, we have so many characters yearning for Freedom from their promises or positions

1. Nohadan goes on and on about how people should have the freedom to leave their positions.
2. The Oathgates realizing they wanted freedom after being locked for so long in their position.
3. The Sibling and Navani trying to find ways to give more freedom to fabrial spren.
4. Sja-Anat wanting freedom for her and her children.
5. The Wind was locked away, and seems to have vanished along with the heralds (who are the epitome of oath-horror)

Is this book building upon a series-long theme regarding freedom from bonds? Are we getting hints that cultivation and Odium merged is actually an amazing thing? Is freedom from oaths what Roshar needs to counter-balance the harms of Oaths?

Anyone else picking up on this as well? 

Cool theory. The biggest freedom you are missing is the end of slavery, both parah and human slaves.

On 4/4/2022 at 8:40 PM, Syrail said:

“Give it to me now. I need it” is fairly close to what Dalinar ended up saying when the Stormfather initially refused to accept his words, though.. 

-WoR, ch 89 
 

This has to be it! It has to be!

I just learned about this theory. An interesting thing to note is Mraize is 100% confident he should of seen Shallan enter Amaran's building to steel the maps.

How can anyone be 100% confident they didn't' make it in. Well have your own eyes (cremlings) watch every single window/door she could of entered.

I'm pretty sure adolins lawyer was alive pre recreance

1 hour ago, StanLemon said:

I would love to see Rock become a Bondsmith. It would be appropriate too if he has a character arc about uniting his people.

Agreed, everything he does screams Bondsmith.

On 12/7/2020 at 4:38 PM, Alcatur said:

I don't think he "ordered" Amaram. Kalak issue is indecisiveness. It is pretty unlikely that he was clear and decisive, and Amaram sounds like a person who would seek justification. So my guess is that Kalak said something and Amaran interpreted it the way he wished. 

 

As to looks - well, we have slight inclinations that Heralds may have some strangeness in their appearance. Taln is enormous, as tall as Amaram (who even Kaladin noted was tall), despite not being Rosharan by birth, and built so thickly that Amaram, who is trained soldier after all, had troubles with helping him stand. Ash phenotype is - well, it could be that she is simply taking completely after her mother, but I always found that it was a bit suspicious. 

Yes, i agree with this. Amaram was looking for any reason, and Kalak isn't capabale of making decisions.

Rock is my vote~!

My favorite theory is Zu is the stonewarden agent. There is also a character named Zu in Emperor's soul

Although it fits Kaladin really well, I would believe his agent is going to come from Harmony's planet.

Protecting and killing is also a theme in mistborn.

I see you point with Kaladin and not denying it  I just want to point out Raboniel was letting him get to the stones, so she could delay the inevitable and keep doing her research. For example she knew were the last node was for a while, but she wanted to keep experimenting on anti storm light. I'm pretty sure she even says this.

Also love being right about the spren choosing

19 hours ago, Ookla The Frustrated said:

Agreed, I'll edit this post later when I gather necessary evidence.

Edit: Nightwatcher and spren

All corrupted spren have been Mistspren.

Shallan has been given two critics,

And Wyndle was given a Radiant against his choice.

Now what do all these spren have in common?

Their orders are all aligned with Cultivation.

More later

I like this a lot! Can't wait to see your post

I am 100% sold, Zu is a world hopper. The ars arcanum proves it imo

The interesting thing with cultivation is what is she doing with the night watcher?

She's training her to be more human without her bonding.

What plan does cultivation have for the next bondsmith? This is the big part of her plan imo. 

She has been training the night watcher for a very very long time

I think EL has to do with the 10th name of honor Jasnah mentions in twok. I can never spell it, it's elethenal or something like that. 

Is El the tenth name of honor elethenal? I can't find the proper spelling for it.

On 11/23/2020 at 3:53 PM, seriodor said:

There's a WoB that says that Cultivation fought on Honors side against Odium.

 

 

This WOB can be misleading.  A mercy killing is helping someone.

Not to mention, Honor could of been in on Cultivations plan.It is very honorable to sacrifice your self for the eventual good of everyone.

I was right about the spren being in of the decision of the recreance! 

I think there is some thought to be had here. When honor was shattered, a lot of the shard went into the stormfather, but I belive a lot of the shard went into the honor/honor related spren. It would make sense they would have some sort of bost.

7 hours ago, Chalke219 said:

I like this but i think it overlooks that Wit thinks he is dealing with Rayse, a known entity to him. We know this not to be the case so we finally know something Hoid does not, and that is truly terrifying 

 

My take on the storyteller analogy was that its in reference to Brandon himself, and how he has always said not to expect big crossovers with main characters but the recent Odium development and that Thaidakar reveal leave me thinking otherwise 

I don't think there is a reason to believe taravagian could impact Hoids memories more then rayse could of. Therefore it doesn't matter if it was rayse or taravagian. Wit must of know his memories were going to get messed with. The terror could be from him realising it wasn't rayse.

Love this theory, big fan. Also think his real memories were stored into the coins.

6 hours ago, Naerin said:

To be honest, I hope that Hoid wasn't able to somehow trick or misdirect Todium in this scene. Part of the impact of this scene is that we have never before seen Hoid seriously pressured or frightened or outwitted. He always comes across as more or less in control of whatever situation he's in, and several steps ahead of what anyone else is thinking. And that makes sense. He's an immortal being with who knows how much experience. So of course it's going to be rare that he's genuinely surprised or faced with unexpected setbacks. 

So seeing him afraid in this scene. Seeing him fooled (at least on the second run-through). That was SO powerful. And it really sold Todium as a serious threat. It made him feel new, distinct, and more dangerous than the previous version of Odium. If Hoid is still one step ahead, the way he seems to be with everyone else (even other Shards, like Harmony), then I'm going to be disappointed and retroactively less invested in Todium as a villain. 

As for the significance of Hoid's misdirection speech, I imagine he was referring to keeping Rayse's attention on him in some way. From the interaction he expected, it seems like he was counting on Rayse being focused on finding a way to destroy Hoid and beat Dalinar. I'm guessing that he wanted to keep Rayse thinking in those blunt "I will DESTROY you" terms, rather than thinking about potential loopholes or exploits in the contract (which Todium has apparently perceived). I think Hoid included the provision protecting himself in the contract so that Rodium would focus on that, and maybe miss more subtle things about the wording that Todium has picked up on. 

I have a question. Hoid must know that Odium could mess with his memories. Messing with memories isn't jsut something Tarvagian could do is it? Why wouldn't he protect his memories? Putting your memories in to a giant ball of invesiture doesn't seem subtle. Seems like a God can see that. Putting your memories into metal, well that we aren't sure if a God can see or not.

Further more the scene sells Todium as a villian either way, it's inconclusive to who is right and who is wrong, i believe the scene was made to be vague like that. I have a feeling when we find out in the future, it will be Hoid who gets the better of the exchange, and this could be end of book 10 type of thing.