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It is certainly possible, but it just seems like we have to many examples of Cognitive shadows worldhopping, to the point that it might even be easier for them, as evidenced by the Eeyrie being worried about Therenodite shades, which I doubt anyone is helping to move around, and who don't seem intelligent enough to do it themselves. As for the gemstone, I doubt it if only because the Ghostbloods want Shallan to do exactly that to Kalak, and they are looking for a way to allow Kelsier to worldhop, so if that was a way to do it, they would have just done it by now.

This is basically what I am saying, that Allomancy does not require intent provided by the user, but that if it is provided, it becomes much more versatile, and that there could be even further expansion of those capabilities if the user has a further understanding of Investiture and Intent. (As an aside, we have never seen someone with a real understanding of cosmere mechanics use/interact with the metallic arts, bar Sazed and Kelsier, who we dont actually see doing that, we just know they do.) By contrast, Awakening requires Intent to use at even the most basic level. What I am saying is that the gap between those two things is likely fundamentally important to how they work, and that understanding and bridging that gap could provide tons of new options for both systems

I am not sure about whether Scadrians are more connected, but even if they are, we have seen other Scadrians worldhop, (Demoux in WoK). Kelsiers problem seems to be specific to him, whether that be because of his time in the well, his status as a cognitive shadow, his time holding Preservations power, or some combination of them all.

I think that most of this is true, but I feel like there is a difference in how Intent is portrayed regarding say Awakening, vs Allomancy. We have seen for several systems, specifically Allomancy, that using them unconsciously, and without knowing that you can, is not only possible, but relatively common. By contrast, when we are told how to awaken, Intent is a vital part in the the user must provide it. Brandon has said regarding allomancy that the metals are more keys to the power, shaping it. To me that seems like the Intent is pre-determined, and provided by either the metal, the investiture itself, or both. The same is true of the Dor, and to a lesser degree Surgebinding. I think it is important to note that there is a difference between the systems where Investment helps to use it (ex: compounding with allomancy, or just choosing activly to burn metals), and systems where Intent is required (Intent must be provided by the person to do anything with Awakening). While the difference between these 2 things is likely just a difference in where the Intent is coming from, it still hints in large possibilities regarding both types of systems. Much like your point about the limits imposed by ones teacher, it might be possible to figure out how to direct the intent of Allomancy more like Awakening to make its effects much more versatile, or to make the investiture provide the Intent for Awakening to allow faster, or maybe awakenings that require less breaths. Obviously this is complete speculation, but I think there is more here than we fully know.

Here is the explanation for why I think that Kel's connection to Preservation is not the specific problem that the Ghostbloods are dealing with. I would think that any investiture has a similar problem, for example stormlight is inherently connected to Honor, hence the difficulty in transporting it. However, the GB have stated that they have cleared that barrier. While its possible that Kel's connection from being in the well is a little different, I dont think it is difficult enough, especially given the relative ease with which returned seem to travel. Even if it is easier for them thanks to the nature of Endowment, I wouldnt think that would remove the barrier entirely. By contrast, we have never seen a character who held the (close to) full power of a shard and then gave that up. We know that holding such power has a lasting effect even after giving it up because (Dawnshard spoilers) Obviously I could be wrong since we still dont fully understand the Mechanics at play, but it just seems like Kel's origional connection to Preservation is not a large enough tie, or different enough from what we have seen transported before, to be such a barrier to the GB. As a slight tangent, it is also important to note that the reason for Kel's problems could be something we are completely unaware of, since who knows what he spend the 300ish years between Era 1 and Stormlight doing other than joining the GBs

You are right that Kelsier was held back by the power of Preservation at that time. The point I was making is that I dont think that that is the hurdle that the Ghostbloods are trying to clear. I think they already know how to get around that, given that they can move stormlight and spren. However, the connection created by actually holding the power of preservaton and becoming a Sliver is likley completely different, or at least much harder to deal with I think this is a great way to look at it, and now I really want to know what the Ghostbloods know how to do in order to Transport investiture. The only thing I can think of other than what we do in real life of go really fast is that maybe they are putting what they want to transport into an Aluminum box. Given how Aluminum blocks investiture, it seems likely that it could be used to cut whatever is inside off from the larger reserve of power it is connected to.

I think this is probably true, but it seems like it is not a full answer. We see several instances where someone uses their powers not only subconsciously, but while still unaware they have powers. While its true that in the case of the Radiants, maybe the intent comes from their spren, they are not the only example. In Mistborn, we see Vin unknowingly burning metals, and its implied that this is something that happens relatively commonly with Allomancers. While for Vin specifically, there were 2 different shards interested in her, for the most part that was not the case, and it seems hard to believe that the intent came from Preservation in all but maybe Vin's case given the state of him mind by that time.

So what we seem to have decided, mostly through process of elimination, is that the reason for Thaidakar and the Heralds inability to leave their planets is their direct connection to a shard which has invested into that planet. However, I still feel like that can't be the whole story. For one thing, it raises the question of how connected to a shard you have to be to have this difficulty. I mean spren are literally pieces of the power of shards. I would think that you cant get much more connected to a shard than that. Of course the Heralds and Thaidakar have different ways in which they are connected, but all that does is raise more questions as to what the difference is functionally. Also, I think Kelsier and Kalak might actually have different problems. I dont think that Kelsier is unable to leave because he was within Preservation's perpendicularity, but only because he held the power of preservation. The reason that I think this might be the case is because Todium seems to have no doubt in their ability to get Dalinar off of Roshar, despite Dalinar not only being bonded to the Stormfather, but also regularly summoning and standing within Honors perpendicularity, which I would think would have a similar effect as what happened to Kelsier. For Kalak, I think that once again there is a possible alternative reason than his connection with Honor. It is possible that the Oathpact itself is stopping him, since if Odium cant leave the system, maybe no one involved in the Oathpact can.

I admit that I actually didnt realize this when reading, I thought they could not transport Stormlight. However, it still seems like there are questions that this raises. For example, if the problem is simply that Thaidakar is simply too strongly bound to his native planet, then it would be conceivable that that the same issue would apply to objects like nightblood, which is probably the most highly invested object in the cosmere. Their problem cannot be their status as a cognitive shadow, since the Eyrie are worried about shades from Therenody while on Scadrial. To me, assuming that Thaidakar is in fact Kelsier, which seems like a safe bet at this point, it probably is the case that their direct connection to a shard would be the problem like you said, which is supported by Kalak not being able to leave, given his big connection to Honor. However, it does raise questions about how connected to a shard you have to be in order to not be able to travel. For example, we know that there is a kandra somewhere off of Scadrial, and they are very connected to Harmony. Again Wit is another example, but he also surely knows more than the Ghostbloods. Finally, Vasher is returned, given power directly from Endowment, which I would think would link him in a similar way to how Kalak is linked. There is also the fact that Mraize knows how to transport Stormlight, but implies it is still not actually attainable, at least not without a great deal of work. Its possible that this is simply the problem of securing a way into the cognitive realm in order to transport the spheres, but that seems unlikely given the Ghostbloods power and reach.

I agree that you still have to know what you are doing with all the system, knowing that you can burn the metals in important, and you chose what you are pushing. However, Vin is able to use Iron to pull on things without knowing what iron actually does. The examples I mentioned explicitly require Intent, which it seems to be distinct from intention. Vin intends to push on coins, but Intent is required to awaken something in a away it does not seem to be for say Allomancy. Its not clear that it does though. I mean when Spook gets spiked its seems pretty accidental. True Ruin probably pulled some strings, but the people actually doing the physical actions almost certainly did not intent to create a hemalurgic spike and leave it in Spook, let alone even know about hemalurgy. I think it is certainly difficult, since the spike has to pass through the exact bind points, but I think it does not actually require an intention to make a spike, it simply is extremely unlikely to happen without the knowledge of hemalurgic bind points

This would be my guess except for the fact that Mraize seems to contradict this. He says that the reason that they are trying to figure out how to transport stormlight is that thanks to spheres, it is the easiest form of investiture to transport long distances. It seems like if the Ghostbloods knew how to transport the other forms of investiture across the cognitive realm they would not bother with stormlight. It is explicitly the easiest to transport.

In RoW and Dawnshard, we learn a lot about how investiture works, and get hints at even more. Most notably to me, was the idea of anti-investiture, and the rhythms to investiture, and the returning concept of intent to guide investiture. I'll start with the rhythms. We are told that essentially each shard on Roshar has its own rhythm, and that not only can you combine these rhythms, but that there is an inverse for each to create anti-investiture. The idea of the rhythms is something that up not now has seemed like it is a phenomena natural to roshar and the shards can be felt through them since they are manifesting on the planet. However, the actual ability to create anti-investiture through the rhythms, and the pure tones made this seem less likely to me. However, what really convinced me that this wasnt true, was during a re-read of Mistborn Era 1. Firstly, the Allomantic pulses that are felt through bronze are described very similarly to the rhythms, even with the idea that at first they sound the same, but can be distinguished with practice, something Marsh teaches Vin, and that we see Navani do with Raboniel. Also, in HoA, when Vin ascends to hold Preservation, the first time Ruin talks to her, it is described as almost a rhythm, very like how the pure tones are described. I do not have them on had, but I would be willing to bet that both Elantris and Warbreaker also have similar descriptions. When raoden is in the Perpendicularity, I bet there is some mention of it, and in Warbreaker, its possible I am misremembering, but I distinctly recall something that sounds like a pure tone related to when the Returned actually return, and when Lightsong remembers dying. Also in Warbreaker, some of the effects of the Heightenings seems to be geared to this. Perfect pitch is the most obvious, as that would let them tell appart the rhythms, but even the color differentiation is interesting, as we see in RoW that each type of investiture has its own distinct color spectrum. Also, at the end of HoA when Sazed is taking the powers of Ruin and Preservation, something interesting is said. Throughout the book, even from the POV of Vessels, the powers are described as opposites, much like how Raboniel assumes that Voidlight and Stormlight are opposites. However, just like how Raboniel is proven wrong, Sazed makes a point of noting that they are not in fact opposites, and are meant to be together. However, they require Intent to be joined. Not only does this all seem to give certainly that the principals we learned in RoW apply to the entire Cosmere, but it also leads me to the idea of Intent. We have now seen intent in several situations in the Cosmere. Sazed needs intent to join Ruin and Preservation, Dawnshards apparently need Intent to be used, Navani needed Intent to create anti-light, and in Warbreaker, Intent is required to awaken. To, the fact that we see intent in these specific examples, and only them, tells us the importance of intent and its place in the Cosmere. My theory is that Intent is required exclusively when directly giving purpose investiture. In the systems of Investiture on Scadrial, Roshar, and Sel, what the Investiture does is pre-determined. All the user does it point it in a direction so to speak. When steel is burnt, what happens is defined, it pushes, all the allomancer does is say what it pushes on. The same is true to the surges on Roshar and of the Aons on Sel. The Investiture has its purpose, all the user does is direct it. Notably different to this is Nalthis, where the user both needs intent, and needs to give direction to the Investiture when they awaken something. the bounds of what they can do are seemingly only their own imagination. Again, when Sazed joins the powers he is directing the Investiture. When Navani is creating anti-light, she directs it with intent. I think it is safe to assume that the intent part of using a Dawnshard to also to direct it. The question now becomes why do Allomancy or Surgbinding or the Dor not require intent. The answer seems to be that for these systems, the power is external, passing through the user but not possessed by them. We know that Nalthis is notably different in that the humans there innately hold extra investiture within themselves. The people on Nalthis are in some ways tiny versions of shards, vessels for their single breath. With each extra breath they hold, the effects of being such a vessel become more obvious. These are passive differences, not requiring Investiture to be consumed to maintain, something we dont see on other worlds. I would guess that in the heightenings we can actually see something like a series of smaller steps between regular people and shard vessels. This last part is probably the most guessing and wild theorizing in this post, but I believe that when the humans on Nalthis use their breaths, they are using the Investiture the same say that the shards can use their power, admittedly on a much smaller scale. My explanation for the limits of the ability of the breaths would be that they are parts of Endowment, and so can only be used in that intent, which all the uses for awakening and breath we have seen could plausible fall under.

In RoW Mraize explains to Shallan that at least one of the goals of the ghostbloods on Roshar is to figure out how to both investiture and invested people long distances in the cognitive realm, as the investiture binds them to the planet, even saying that Shallan herself would be unable to leave thanks to her bond with Pattern. While this seems to in fact be true, since Gavilar in the Epiloge, and even Kalak both seem to be struggling with the same thing. However, I am fairly certain that we have seen examples of people doing exactly what they are trying to figure out. The most obvious example would Hoid, who we have seen on all of the shard worlds, and who not only has powers we dont yet really understand, but who has also gathered powers from each of the world we have seen him on. While I could see that maybe being a Mistborn would not stop you, since you yourself dont hold any innate power, and maybe the spren bond give enough connection to the planet through your spren, I would think that if that were the case, that the breaths that Hoid has would have tied him to Nalthis in a similar way. Further, Hoid's bond with Design should ground him on Roshar for the same reasons that Shallan is stuck, and yet we see him on Scadrial in Era 2, which is set after Stormlight 1-5. By himself, I wouldnt be that worried, since Hoid surely knows things Mraize does not, but this is hardly the only example of highly invested people and objects traveling. Vasher and Vivenna both travel from Nalthis to Roshar, at least one of whom is returned and both has a divine breath, and requires some store of investiture to fuel himself. And, we are reasonable certain that both of them brought awakened swords with them to Roshar, which surely count as invested enough to be difficult to transport. Now again, the ghostbloods dont work with Vasher and Vivenna, so they could know some trick, but given what we have seen, that seems unlikely. In WoK we see both Galladon and Demoux on Roshar. Demoux is an allomancer, but as I said earlier, that might not have the same effects. However, Galladon is an Elantrian, who's power is literally linked to the city of Elantris, and who are highly invested themselves. I am probably missing a few other examples, but the most important one to me, appear later in RoW, where we see that the box that Mraize gave to Shallan holds an Seon, which are are splinters much like spren, and seem like they must be effected by the same problem. If Mraize has at least 2 Seons, since he was able to talk to Shallan, the question is, why are not only almost every other worldhopper we have seen seemingly capable of transporting investiture, but Mraize himself is in possession of something that should have needed the information he claims to be looking for to get to Roshar. Is he lying to Shallan, and already knows how, or do the ghostbloods simply not know the secret that literally everyone else seems to, and were given the Seons?

Ok so I have been thinking andI was kind of wondering what characters from the cosmere could beat Rand Al-thor as of AMOL. I think the only ones who even can be considered other that super OP ones like TLR are Raoden and anyone with F-steel. Raoden might be able to win if he can draw Aons fast enough but by that I mean REALLY FAST, and it seems like he could get pretty creative with them. Still I am inclined to think that Rand would win since he seems to need less time to use weaves, and he just has more power. This could also just end up being a stomp since I know that Rands power is insane by the end on the series but we never get a great indication, even though I seem to recall him fighting something like 20 Black Asha-man at once. If that is true, Raoden probably does not stand a chance. For characters with F-steel their only chance would be to blitz rand instantly and even then Rand might be fast enough to take them out. You guys go wild, lets see if we can think of any more

yea but realism is for the real world, and this is the cosmere

So if you took Hemalurgicly or Feruchemicly charged bullets and shot them at people could you just have a way to make instant supersoldiers on the battlefield?

Is this assuming that you can't combine god metals? cause if you can, there are way more