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30 minutes ago, Through The Living Glass said:

Yo.

*reads*

Yeah, I've never seen anything like that done before. It's a really cool idea!

I know there's a bit on the Coppermind, like Elan oh-so-helpfully linked above, but are you looking for more organic-seeming writing? Is that what you're asking? I may need a bit more clarification on what you're looking for.

I think my basic idea right now is to use an image-to-text encoder-decoder, which would take in a picture of the script and output the translation in english. I think it would be cool to eventually have some handwritten organic writing; however, that type of data is potentially difficult to collect, especially with accurate translations, and so I may start by using one of the already created custom fonts that I have seen for women's script or the steel alphabet to convert an existing text dataset into one of those languages. Eventually, it would be cool to refine that training with actual handwritten data if it is available.

Honestly, I'm just looking for any related data. I'll start with Coppermind, then go from there.

I'm in a deep learning class in my master's program, and I've been considering working on a project where I train or fine-tune an AI model to do character recognition or handwriting recognition on cosmere writing (steel alphabet, women's script, etc.) to "translate" the characters to english. I'm also aware that some of the writing systems do not have a one-to-one relationship with english characters (ex. No "q" in steel alphabet, "u"/"w" are the same in women's script, etc.), so it would be interesting to apply some method of converting from a direct character translation to actual english writing. Does anyone know whether someone has done a project like this already or whether datasets of handwritten cosmere languages exist? Is this something people would be interested in following? Maybe I can get together some kind of repository where people can submit their own cosmere writing if there is enough interest.

On 4/12/2018 at 5:29 PM, Random Reader said:

I believe it is no for the feruchemist and allomancer and yes for the surgebinder

And why do you think that?

1 hour ago, Scion of the Mists said:

Not sure if this matters to your overall point, but while an Allomancer or Surgebinder is technically "invested" all the time, it's only when they're actually using their abilities that they are "invested" enough to resist other investiture.  (Putting invested in quotes because Brandon says that's not the right term)  

Looking at the WoB you mention, it seems like "invested" the way Sanderson is using it here (in reference to the state of being a Surgebinder or Allomancer), refers to the connection to the Spiritual Realm that Allomancers and Surgebinders have through their Spiritweb.  When burning metals or holding more Stormlight, Sanderson says their resistance to other Investiture increases, or their connection to the Spiritual Realm increases, but they still resist other Investiture when not burning.  That resistance may not be enough to stop someone from soulcasting them, but it would make it more difficult than it would for someone who is not "invested".

Even if I'm interpreting the WoB incorrectly, this made me think of an interesting question.  In order to store in nicrosil, would an allomancer have to be burning metal?  Would a feruchemist have to be storing/tapping?  Would a surgebinder have to be holding stormlight?

On 2/22/2018 at 7:11 PM, OdiYum said:

Let's say you are an awakener who can also compound Nicrosil.  Can you compound awakening to make your awakenings cheaper?  That would be a very powerful hack.

edit:  I think it would be powerful because if allomancy becomes more efficient, wouldn't other types of compounded magic systems become more efficient.

On 2/22/2018 at 7:48 PM, Calderis said:

I don't actually think this would work. Anyone who receives breath can learn to use it, so I don't think there's a spiritual portion that decides that your an Awakener beyond the breath you have. 

I'm curious if the breath itself could be compounded though, because there's a couple of different WoBs on this. 

But just putting breath into the metal isn't enough, so if it is possible, it would still have to be properly stored by a soulbearer Ferring. 

Yes, I think there is a big distinction that needs to be made on what Nicrosil can store.  For Allomancy, a person is Invested when they have the ability to burn a certain metal.  A person who is more Invested can burn that metal faster, and thus gain more power in a shorter amount of time.  Additionally, the more metals one can burn, the more Invested they are.  This is the same with Surgebinders or Feruchemists, their abilities show they are Invested (or perhaps being Invested manifests abilities?). 

With BioChromatic Breath, its not the ability to Awaken that denotes Investiture, but the Breath itself.  The more breath one has, the more Invested they are.  Thus while storing Allomantic Investiture would store an ability to burn a metal, my opinion is that storing Awakening Investiture would do something different.

But when Feruchemically storing, effects are temporary.  For example, you aren't stuck slow after storing speed, you gain your full speed back as soon as you stop storing.  Similarly, I think that you don't store the actual Breaths in a nicrosilmind, you store their strength. 

Here's the basis of my idea.  Lets say, for example, you have 50 Breaths, enough for the First Heightening.  While storing that Investiture in a nicrosilmind, you would store the strength of your Breaths, thus losing some of your life sense, and the aura recognition given by the First Heightening.  Then, by later tapping or compounding that nicrosil, you could gain a greater life sense than usual and, if strong enough, propel yourself into greater Heightenings, temporarily gaining their respective abilities.

Some other interesting things to note:

This would be very interesting when mixed with the Returned's single powerful Breath.  Not sure what effects that would have, but its interesting.

Theoretically, if idea were correct, you could store all or almost all of your Breaths' strength, becoming like a drab, invisible to the life sense of others.  Seems very useful for sneaking or seeming inconspicuous without having to recall your Breaths later.

I've thought it would be interesting if Shallan's final ideal was something along the lines of:

"I am a lie"

Not only is she stating a truth, but this ideal is similar to the final skybreaker ideal of "I am law" (though lightweaver ideals are different from the others, so...)

I was thinking something along the lines of:

"I will accept that I cannot protect everyone"

I've always liked Brandon's idea of the three Realms, the physical, cognitive, and spiritual.  I don't know if this came from LDS beliefs at all, but I like how he limits information about the Spiritual Realm to almost leave it to the minds of the readers as the afterlife for his characters.  It is described as a place of absolute truth where connections play an important role, where space and time have little meaning, and where the majority of power resides.  The idea resonates with my beliefs for some reason.

Feruchemy is all about the user.  You can only store the amount that you have of an attribute into a metalmind.  In a similar way, I think this relates to time as well.  Let's set up a situation.  A Feruchemist is within a cadmium bubble and decides to store 50% of his speed over the course of a day.  Let's say that the Feruchemist experiences 30 minutes out of that day, since time is passing faster outside of the bubble.  He cannot store an entire day's worth of speed because he doesn't have a day's worth of the time attribute, he only has 30 minutes.  Thus he would only store 30 minutes of 50% speed.  In a way, time is an attribute stored in every metalmind.  It would work in the opposite way for bendalloy bubbles, but, as Wayne mentions many times, bendalloy is rather rare and expensive.  So while the extra storage time could possibly be useful in a life or death situation, it would be rather expensive and probably not worth it to store in this way regularly.  

But this is just a theory, I'm not trying to say this is exactly how it works.

Hey, I wasn't able to join the discord server, is this project still going on?

30 minutes ago, TheBrian said:

I believe Shallan started over bonding Pattern as an adult, which would make her oaths to date:

1. I am terrified
2. I killed my father
3. My shardblade is not normal
4. I killed my mother

26 minutes ago, Calderis said:

Spot on, except you can drop #3. 

The first oath is the first oath for all orders. 3 truths puts her at level 4

I was thinking that her 3rd truth couldn't have been about her shardblade since that is given after the 3rd oath, but now this makes sense.  So her oaths are:

1. Life before Death....
2. I am terrified
3. I killed my father
4. I killed my mother

What do you think her last truth will be?  I was thinking maybe "I am only one person" or something along the lines of her multiple personalities.  Not sure if this is a big enough truth for her final oath though.

Edit:  Wait, now that I'm thinking about it, her 3rd truth couldn't have been killing her father since that was after she had used her shardblade to kill her mother...

10 hours ago, Calderis said:

Basically because Brandon told us ahead of time that she's in OB. 

Ah, okay thanks.

I'm sorry I think I must have missed something somewhere, but... how are we sure that Azure is Vivenna?  It makes sense to me, I'm just curious as to how we are certain of that.

I think the idea of Hoid's truths is very interesting (if he in fact did bond the cryptid), but I'm most excited by the fact that he now has a friend to accompany him on his adventures 

5 hours ago, Alfa said:

Yes, but I never heard of ettmetal mistings, and you can't really hemlurgically transfer non-existent attributes.

Just because they haven’t been seen doesn’t mean they exist.  It just means people aren’t going around testing for them.  We saw this with the Atium mistings in HoA.  However, we don’t even know whether it can be burned logistically, or if ettmetal is an Allomantic metal.  If it could, it could be stolen through Hemalurgy (though lack of Atium could be a problem if we don’t know the specific metal that steals that attribute).  

And even if it were not possible to get someone that can burn ettmetal (assuming it was allomantic), theories can be made about situations that may not be possible in the storyline given in the novels.

Can a person store Investitures stolen through Hemalurgy in a Nicrosilmind?

https://mods.curse.com/mc-mods/minecraft/256282-allomancy

@Why_Do_You_Do_This_To_Me Here's the link.  I haven't gotten to try it out since the most recent Minecraft update, but I'm pretty sure the mod is compatible with it.

There is actually a pretty good Mistborn mod for Minecraft that I have used a couple of times.  Its still kind of in early development, but its got the basic metals.

6 minutes ago, King Cole said:

you would literally not need sleep, your body would not ever get tired and it wouldn't mess with you at all

Yeah you keep making that point, but what about his mind?  We don't know that there aren't mental repercussions to using a bronzemind for that long.  That being said, using a bronzemind could protect against mental damage, similar to how tapping iron also increases the body's strength, if only to deal with the increased weight.  Either way, it was interesting that he had to stay awake that whole time, I had never thought of that.

1 hour ago, robardin said:

Yet at the same time, as seen from what happened to him shortly after he lost his atiumminds, he had to stay constantly awake to tap youth from them in order to stay alive (something I never fully realized until someone on this forum pointed it out to me). Plus he had Ruin constantly whispering at him, kind of like what drove Zane over the edge.

Imagine spending a thousand years, bored but awake, counting down time until the next time the Well of Ascension refilled, nothing to do but put down skaa rebellions or watch noble Houses war with each other from time to time, and having Ruin whisper sweet nothings at you. Sure he could tap compounded gold, but who says that covers mental health?

Considering what he went through he was doing pretty well mentally I would say.  Is it possible that he knew he wouldn't be able to sleep, and so gave himself greater mental stability with the power of the well?  Or possibly he became good enough with atium that he was able to either burn or tap it in his sleep?

1 hour ago, King Cole said:

But the lack of sleep would have 0 negative effect, because he physically doesn't need it. Also, if he lost his bronzeminds he would just get sleepy in a couple hours. 

He probably was a F-Atium savant at that point, and might be able to tap it in his sleep

I was not aware that one could become a feruchemical savant.  Do you have a source to support this, or were you just saying that he was probably practiced enough to do that?

Will you be posting a map download once it is finished?

14 minutes ago, Metalrift said:

Ettmetal is speculated to have alkali metal reactivity, which would be like sodium or potassium in water or hydrochloric acid. If this is the case, then it will not explode on contact with molten metals, as they do not have the same reaction with alkali metals that acids such as hydrochloric acid or water do. Depending on the melting point of ettmetal it may be possible to coat it in metal and in dry conditions there is no risk of explosion in doing so. Alkali metals do not explode on contact with all liquids, only those which are reduced to a potentially explosive compound (such as water to hydrogen) in a fast, highly exothermic reaction.

So there we go, Allomancer bombs are still a thing.

Thank goodness I was worried for a second...

When I initially read that ad in the newspaper, I assumed that K and N were kind of checking in on Harmony.  They most likely know that He is currently trying to keep Odium at bay, but they know that Odium knows how to splinter Shards.  I thought that they were checking for splinters, similar to spren on Roshar, which could become shardblades and talk to those they were bonded to.  No doubt they are probably worried because Sazed holds two shards, so if He can't hold of Odium, who can?

On 9/11/2017 at 2:14 PM, Firerust said:

You make a very good point there. (Unless maybe the ettmetal was also a really tiny flake, but who knows?) And while it could still be done for a Thug making a pewter drag...

That makes pewter dragging virtually unnecessary. Another good point. Well, if it works, I suppose there could be some super devoted members of the Set or related groups willing to sacrifice themselves by doing that. But too bad for hoping for an assassination attempt with it.

Suicide bombing assassinations?  I wouldn't put it past the Set...

What I thought about is that you said that ettmetal reacts to liquids by exploding, but wouldn't coating a piece of it require you to coat it in liquid metal?  I'm not saying that it can't happen, I'm just pointing out that we only know that it explodes on contact with water, not other substances (like, say... stomach acid?).  If it doesn't explode on contact with liquid metal, it could be possible that it could be burned allomantically. (though in my opinion, I kind a doubt it... sorry).

I can just imagine a fullborn breaking the speed of light by compounding nicrosil to superboost steel and pewter alomancy, storing almost all of their weight in an ironmind, and then superboosting duralumin as they push off Scadrial's core