Stalagmite

Elantrian Feruchemist, Oh My!

Isn't atium already able to steal any of a person's spiritual properties? What would the point be of giving the spike the Command?

An atium spike is able to steal any one ability. The idea is that maybe you could get around that with awakening.

Could an Elantrian use AonDor to make themselves a mistborn or feruchemist?

I doubt that there's enough room left in an Awakened sentient metal object to store the extra Investiture of Hemalurgy. On top of that, sentient Invested metals don't seem to follow all the physical laws we'd expect, I doubt that you'd even have a body to stab if you tried, although I might be wrong there. Third, the rule seems to be tearing off one part of the Spiritweb at a time, I doubt throwing other magic systems into the mix is going to break that. It seems to almost imply that where you stab someone when you kill them is as important as where you later place the spike to grant the abilities.

It seems like that since NightBlood can consume breaths he might be able to hold more investiture. And with the right command, I bet the spike wouldn't harm you. Where someone is stabbed is extremely important for what ability you get, but we've seen that awakened steel can do some pretty funky things, I bet it'd be able to just start ripping at someone's spirit web and take whatever it wants.

First it would take thousands of breaths to awaken a metal object that in a shape of a spike .. atleast the 9th + heightning.. After that picking such a general command didnt seem to work so well with nightblood so I would assume "Steal Everything" wouldnt go so well since it is so broad and open to interpretation- (remmeber you need a clear understanding and vision in your mind of the command) Either way Brandon says mixing magic systems is very difficult if you are not adpet at it.. so i assume this process would be extremely difficult and end up not working out the way it was intended

Perhaps a more complicated command like "Take people's abilities and give them to me" would work better

I would bet that a lifeless could become sentient with the blessing of presence.

I guess that there were at least 10

What would happen used a lot of breath to awaken, say an atium spike in the way used to awaken NightBlood with the command "Steal Everything"? Would the single spike be able to steal all of a persons steal-able attributes?

Use hemalurgy to steal human strength and fill a metalmind with the strength it gives you, then never tap it.

same for other human attributes

Use bendalloy compounding to make yourself fat

(can you do that?)

Compound gold, jump into lava

Use allomancy instead of metal detectors at the beach

Use AonDor exclusively to enhance your laziness

(i.e make potato chips and beer from nothing, transform your couch to be more comfy)

How many beads of Lerasium were at the Well of Ascension before Hoid arrived?

He's obviously a gold misting though.

 

I mean, what else are we to make of this?

(TWOK, Chapter 40)

He must be a full mistborn then.

Edit: nevermind, misread your post

We have WoB that Hoid can move forward in time, but does not live all of those years. Allomancy can be used to make time bubbles that move the user forward in time and it's implied that compounding can enhance allomancy as well. Hoid is a feruchemist, and quite likely a mistborn as well. So I think that Hoid uses feruchemy to enhance allomantic Cadmium and move forward in time.

I would much rather be a drab than a bridgeman. Drabs are people, bridgemen are human shields.

But, unless I'm mistaken when you take a power with hemalurgy it becomes powered by ruin, how this would affect AonDor I don't know. It could even mean that distance from Elantris no longer matters.

Not necessarily, Vasher can suppress his.

But while it's suppressed he gains no heightenings like perfect pitch. Hoid probably is making the colors around him more vivid, just no one on Roshar notices it because without having breath yourself it's hard to detect the effect.*

*unless the person has a lot of them of course

Actually, the strongest evidence for Odium = Broken One comes from this quote in TWoK:

 

 

The other possibility is that the death rattles so far all seem to refer to the future; this would imply that at some point in the future 'The Broken One' will reign.

 

I don't really agree the Stormfather is corrupted by Odium. All of this actions seem to be understandable as long as you accept that the Stormfather doesn't think Odium can be successfully defeated by mankind. He's trying to cut his losses and lose any more of his 'family' trying to help out Honor's Children; he's already lost a great deal due to the Recreance.

 

When the Stormfather tries to prevent Syl from helping Kaladin, it's clear his focus is not on screwing Kaladin, but trying to protect Syl. It seems pretty clear that the Stormfather is not acting particularly maliciously; he just doesn't want Syl to get killed too, and he's convinced Kaladin will end up killing her (for good reason, since, you know, he killed - or almost killed - her _the week before_, not to mention historical reasons).

The death rattles are some kind of foretelling right? Then maybe "but now the Broken One reigns!" refers to the shard of honor which (after the desolation) reigns meaning that mankind has won.

DROPLETS

Three of sixteen ruled, but now the Broken One reigns!

-Collected: Chachnan, 1173, 84 seconds pre-death. Subject: a cutpurse with the wasting sickness, of partial Irali descent.

 

I'd buy that right up to the point where he decides murdering Adolin is a good idea. Willingly murdering someone who is helpless to stop you is not exactly "good person" material.

He was insane at that point, he hated Adolin because he could not kill him (Szeth).

For somebody who hates lighteyes, Kaladin sure is doing a whole lot of saving them...

"I will protect even those I hate"

Here's the question no one's asked: if Nightblood is an equivalent weapon to an Honorblade on Roshar... can he bestow Surges? At the very least, he has to allow Szeth to absorb stormlight, or drawing Nightblood is going to end pretty quickly.

 

Fun secondary question: how does Szeth not end up with Nightblood in his chest? Every other person of questionable morality we've seen around the sword has wanted to wield it, and that usually ends with Nightblood killing them. The exception is Denth, but he A) has a history with Nightblood and B: is probably MUCH stronger willed than Szeth in his current state.

Because at his core Szeth is a good person, just a good person who's done terrible things.

Certainly it's true that stormlight is far more available on roshar than breaths on nalthis. What is also true is that nightblood burns up investiture very quickly. I think that he will use up stormlight at an even greater pace, my assumption being that one breath is equivalent to a pretty hefty measure of stormlight. That may not be a valid assumption. Argent is right, we really need to find a way to compare quantities of investiture on different worlds.

If Szeth decided to take him on a rampage in a high storm, he could probably destroy anything because nightblood would have "infinite" investiture to draw upon. He could probably destroy an entire stone fortress with ease.

Spoilers Below, Leave Now If You Don't Want Them

     Now that Szeth has Nightblood, he's going to need a way to feed him investiture in the form of stormlight. So I think that either Nightblood will somehow grant him the ability to absorb stormlight or Szeth is going to get a spren and become a skybreaker. If he does that he'll have the ability to fly and lash like before, a shardblade/shield, and Nightblood. I think this combo would make him nearly undefeatable. What do y'all think is going to happen with him?

Perhaps when enough breath is put together it has power equal to that of a splinter. I wonder if Nightblood can use stormlight as fuel instead of breaths?

Especially since it's not really a big spoiler to begin with, per se. Sure, nightblood was an "oh shiznit!" moment but it's not like knowing about it beforehand effects the story at all. If you hadn't read Warbreaker and weren't cosmere aware, it would just be a strange shardblade that shows up in the epilogue.

Before I came onto the forums I thought that the blade may have been Odium's version of an honorblade, with black stormlight coming off. But the "Do you want to destroy some evil" thing convinces me now that I know that Vashar is on Roshar. At first I though that it was one of the void-spren trying to corrupt Szeth.