Mr. T and Diagram

[NoiseSpren he/him]

We know that the day when mr. T. wrote Diagram was his most perfect day. Because of that, he was very close to his perfect self. And that's s. realm stuff.

So I think that he literally saw future in some kind of way. Saw future without access to Fortune. Remarkable.

Ideas?

[Ripheus23]

Like, he saw his own self in the future, and extrapolated backwards what led to him being that form in the future? I could see that

[NoiseSpren he/him]

S. realm are all times and places in one, it's PERFECTION of existence in some extend. And mr T. was smart enough to use it. He was perfected enough.

[Scion of the Mists]

On 11/17/2018 at 5:30 AM, NoiseSpren said:

So I think that he literally saw future in some kind of way. Saw future without access to Fortune. Remarkable.

Why does that sound familiar?

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"Taravangian!" Odium said. "This is remarkable." The walls and furniture faded, leaving behind the words, which hung in the air and started glowing with a golden light. "You did this without access to Fortune, or the Spiritual Realm? Truly incredible."

Are you secretly the Shard of Hatred?

[kaellok he/him]

On 11/17/2018 at 2:30 AM, NoiseSpren said:

We know that the day when mr. T. wrote Diagram was his most perfect day. Because of that, he was very close to his perfect self. And that's s. realm stuff.

So I think that he literally saw future in some kind of way. Saw future without access to Fortune. Remarkable.

Ideas?

Do we know that Mr. T wrote the diagram on his 'most perfect day'?  It was his smartest day, without question, and Mr. T almost definitely thinks that it was his most perfect day and his most perfect self.  However, the Mr. T bits make it pretty abundantly clear that intelligence =/= perfection.  That's kinda the whole point of the intelligence vs. compassion debate.  That's why there's been so much debate about whether the Diagram can actually save humanity, or if it was doomed to failure from the beginning as a red herring.  That's the only reason why Mr. T is in any way interesting as a character.

I highly doubt that Mr. T at his smartest was not supposed to be Mr. T at his 'most perfect', and that his 'perfect day' is yet to come--and it will be the day when he is the most compassionate.  Unless, of course, it will be all of the days where his intelligence and compassion are perfectly balanced, thus signifying that it is the average person en masse who will save the world from hatred.

[sonoskay]

On 11/17/2018 at 3:30 AM, NoiseSpren said:

We know that the day when mr. T. wrote Diagram was his most perfect day. Because of that, he was very close to his perfect self. And that's s. realm stuff.

So I think that he literally saw future in some kind of way. Saw future without access to Fortune. Remarkable.

Ideas?

I disagree. He didnt see the future. He was given near unlimited  capacity  for information. If you know enough about a person you can start making guesses about a person.  And possibly  to the extent of knowing what they will do before they themselves know.

 

 This is, in a sense, "predicting the future." But is a way of doing it that is deviod of anything super natural. 

 

This i feel is a very very different  distinction.  One thing they continue to mention is how the diagram is getting less accurate  over time. And that is becuase    even if you have near perfect information, you cannot guess and calculate  for changes in people especially  after tramatic events. Or after bonding a spren. Which seems to change spren, but also inspires derp change in their humans.

The diagram has mentioned there are big anomalies. Such as the  dust bringer mr t chooses to ally himself with.

 To me, this is a very very different  way of "predicting the future".

Literally  seeing the future  even if its imperfect , is not  the same as calculating  the most likely outcomes based on information  such as past actions and cultural  pressures.

 

Edit.

Actually  i think even brandon sanderson wants to imply this with the prediction  of highstorms from the storm wardens.

This is  narratively  distinctly different 

 

Edited November 19, 2018 by sonoskay

[NoiseSpren he/him]

Thanks for ideas, ganchos!