+Child of Hodor Posted October 23, 2018 Posted October 23, 2018 (edited) We know Gavilar was receiving the visions from the Stormfather because they were beginning to bond, but I am starting to think the Stormfather talked to Gavilar directly. Gavilar founded the organization known as Sons of Honor and I am now noticing just how often Stormfather calls people "Son of Honor". Mostly to Dalinar in Oathbringer, but in WoK, WoR & OB he calls Kaladin Child / Son of Honor. I had always thought that Gavilar, like Dalinar, got the Visions without figuring out that the Stormfather was giving them to him and without any additional guidance from the Stormfather. Which is why both of their interpretations of what the visions were asking them to do were off. It seems like the Stormfather talked to Gavilar at least once and Gavilar may have understood that the Visions came from the Stormfather because he named his secret club that was acting on the visions "Sons of Honor". It's not an issue of consistency or anything, we know the Stormfather withholds useful information from Dalinar He drags his feet and does the bare minimum. He seems very pouty about Tanavast tasking him with delivering the visions and has a real negative attitude in general WoR Ch. 89: "I WAS REQUIRED TO SEND THOSE VISIONS ... THE ALMIGHTY DEMANDED IT OF ME. I COULD NO MORE DISOBEY THAN I COULD REFUSE TO BLOW THE WINDS ... IT DOES NOT MATTER. YOU WERE TOO SLOW. YOU FAILED ... IT IS OVER. YOU HAVE LOST" Even the Stormfather's efforts to "help" leave a lot to be desired WoR ch. 83: "I BRING YOU A STORM OF CLEANSING. IT WILL CARRY AWAY YOUR CORPSES." I'm just surprised that Gavilar might have talked to the Stormfather and understood more about what was happening to him than Dalinar did before the end of WoR. Additional References: Quote https://coppermind.net/wiki/Sons_of_Honor https://coppermind.net/wiki/Gavilar_Kholin CHILD OF TANAVAST. CHILD OF HONOR. CHILD OF ONE LONG SINCE DEPARTED - WoK Ch. 46 Child of Tanavast SON OF HONOR, said a voice like roaring wind - WoR Ch. 32 CHILD OF HONOR ... FAREWELL, SON OF HONOR - WoR Ch. 74 "I said I am not, child of Honor" - WoR Ch. 83 YOU WILL SEE NO FURTHER VISIONS, CHILD OF HONOR - WoR Ch. 83 "You can find refuge from storms, Son of Honor" - OB Ch. 1 "You are not a hypocrite, Son of Honor." - OB Ch. 28 WHO ARE YOU TO MAKE DEMANDS OF THE STORM, SON OF HONOR - OB Ch. 31 "You will find difficulty getting useful answers, Son of Honor - OB Ch. 34 Edited October 23, 2018 by Child of Hodor 4
Calderis he/him Posted October 23, 2018 Posted October 23, 2018 That's been my assumption as well. The name of the organization being what the Stormfather calls humans doesn't seem to be mere coincidence. 1
+Ark1002 Posted October 24, 2018 Posted October 24, 2018 Yeah, I agree. On an unrelated not: @Child of Hodor, why did you choose that name? Typo? Other name already taken?
+Child of Hodor Posted October 24, 2018 Author Posted October 24, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Ark1002 said: Yeah, I agree. On an unrelated not: @Child of Hodor, why did you choose that name? Typo? Other name already taken? A riff on Child of Honor referencing Hodor from game of thrones. I don’t recall putting much thought into it before I chose it. Edited October 24, 2018 by Child of Hodor 1
Slimy_Slider Posted October 24, 2018 Posted October 24, 2018 This assumes that Gavilar founded the Sons of Honour, instead of just joining up. We hear references to Restares, who is obviously highly placed in the Sons of Honour. So either he was responsible for founding it with Gavilar, or he took over after Gavilar died. Which might be a possibility, since Gavilar named him as a suspect for his assassination.
Turtle373 he/him Posted October 24, 2018 Posted October 24, 2018 probably took over, Gavilar is very similar to Dalinar with his commanding presence, so I feel like he would be similar with the whole hoarding power thing and I don't think he would put himself under someones power like that
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